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    Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 8:11pm
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Perhaps the price puts people off.
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Originally posted by Oli

Musto Skiff allowed them last time i looked, if you'd stuck it out with the class you would've come across them years ago.

I get that, same as if I'd sailed a 29er, but how come they haven't crossed class divides? Am I the only person that thinks this is strange? When I say strange, I'm thinking Midwich cuckoos strange.

The longer you engage in this world the weirder it gets.

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If you are bored or sad, spend the evening working through the Pinnel and Bax website, or a Harken Catalogue or the Technical Marine Supplies website … lots of interesting gear and potential solutions, you don’t need to have a magazine to lead you there.  Have a look at what the leading proponents in you class are doing.  Boat bimbling is an important part of the activity … however experience suggests that opting for clevis pins or a fancy turnbuckle are well along the diminishing returns curve … and being able to adjust your standing rigging is all very well provided you know what needs to be achieved 
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'Turnbuckles' (the American expression) AKA (in the UK) 'bottlescrews' have been around in the dinghy world since the'50's to my certain knowledge. The fact is that modern 'vernier'* shroud adjusters are more than sufficiently adjustable for any rig and are much (very much) lighter and cheaper than 'turnbuckles'. Sure they are a less convenient to adjust on the water** but how often do you need to do that?..      


* They're not...

** The 49er guys manage to adjust the shrouds on the water with a simple 'boat breaker'*** and the trap wire.

*** A block and tackle and the means off attaching it to the shroud plates/eyes/u-bolts.


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iGRF I fail to see the reason for the excitement.  It still need a clevis pin at each end which apparently you find an anachronism from the early 20th century .  Staymasters do the same job for little more than half the money. 

Although I applaud your enthusiasm for innovation I find your philosophy confusing. On the one hand you detest the complication of dinghy rigging yet you seem to tend towards devising complicated solutions to problems which others do not even see as problems. 
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Add unstayed rig to the list 
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At least with unstayed rig, he can let the boom go right forward, presuming that's what he wants from space age rigging? Trade off being bendy mast, perhaps designers could concentrate their efforts on a mast that doesn't need standing rigging.
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Originally posted by 423zero

At least with unstayed rig, he can let the boom go right forward, presuming that's what he wants from space age rigging? Trade off being bendy mast, perhaps designers could concentrate their efforts on a mast that doesn't need standing rigging.


What like the literally hundreds of thousands of unstayed windsurfing masts that support sail sizes well up to the same levels as racing dinghys, then there was the D 1 of course, probably another PYAG victim, certainly a victim here, just like the Pornstar will be..

Oh and you're quite correct in my thinking of an unstayed mast preference, but that was before my foray into trapeze sailing, so strike a trapeze off the list and stays really become irrelevant unless you wish to employ some ridiculously oversize spinnaker. But my current thinking is how to have another bash at that Fireblade/Hybrid and see if I can't devise some method of flying a symmetric spinnaker single handed (thinking maybe a dangly pole), now that would be cool on the lake, bye bye Lasers downwind.


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Originally posted by Do Different

iGRF I fail to see the reason for the excitement.  It still need a clevis pin at each end which apparently you find an anachronism from the early 20th century .  Staymasters do the same job for little more than half the money. 
Although I applaud your enthusiasm for innovation I find your philosophy confusing. On the one hand you detest the complication of dinghy rigging yet you seem to tend towards devising complicated solutions to problems which others do not even see as problems. 


Because my dinghy park must be littered with split rings and or clevis pins, those tunrbuckles can be connected with a conventional nut and bolt, or shackle, whereas chain plates (the work of satan) seem to defy reason when it comes to attachment.

Do you not need to adjust your rig on the water? Or even just before launching? The metal detectorists have a field day down at ours finding dropped clevis pins in the shingle..
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