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    Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 8:14am
Add unstayed rig to the list 
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iGRF I fail to see the reason for the excitement.  It still need a clevis pin at each end which apparently you find an anachronism from the early 20th century .  Staymasters do the same job for little more than half the money. 

Although I applaud your enthusiasm for innovation I find your philosophy confusing. On the one hand you detest the complication of dinghy rigging yet you seem to tend towards devising complicated solutions to problems which others do not even see as problems. 
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'Turnbuckles' (the American expression) AKA (in the UK) 'bottlescrews' have been around in the dinghy world since the'50's to my certain knowledge. The fact is that modern 'vernier'* shroud adjusters are more than sufficiently adjustable for any rig and are much (very much) lighter and cheaper than 'turnbuckles'. Sure they are a less convenient to adjust on the water** but how often do you need to do that?..      


* They're not...

** The 49er guys manage to adjust the shrouds on the water with a simple 'boat breaker'*** and the trap wire.

*** A block and tackle and the means off attaching it to the shroud plates/eyes/u-bolts.


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If you are bored or sad, spend the evening working through the Pinnel and Bax website, or a Harken Catalogue or the Technical Marine Supplies website … lots of interesting gear and potential solutions, you don’t need to have a magazine to lead you there.  Have a look at what the leading proponents in you class are doing.  Boat bimbling is an important part of the activity … however experience suggests that opting for clevis pins or a fancy turnbuckle are well along the diminishing returns curve … and being able to adjust your standing rigging is all very well provided you know what needs to be achieved 
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Originally posted by Oli

Musto Skiff allowed them last time i looked, if you'd stuck it out with the class you would've come across them years ago.

I get that, same as if I'd sailed a 29er, but how come they haven't crossed class divides? Am I the only person that thinks this is strange? When I say strange, I'm thinking Midwich cuckoos strange.

The longer you engage in this world the weirder it gets.

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https://jimmygreen.com/bluewave-quick-race-tuning-turnbuckles/77963-bluewave-quick-tune-rigging-screw-toggle-and-swage   
Perhaps the price puts people off.
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Originally posted by sargesail

Bluewave turnbuckles are a great piece of kit. Use them on the 29er and they allow dynamic rig tension change on the water.

Never pinched or known anyone pinch a finger.

As for over engineered…..I’ve never known one break!


Yes I think the guy in question was breaking a 29er and wanted to use them, to me the fact he has to ask speaks volumes of the class I've now entered in a 'lost land of the dinosaurs' sort of way, I can't see it lasting.
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Originally posted by davidyacht


Presumably the benefit of "stuff I've got going on here" is the simplification of the concept ... so why would I want three heavy, over engineered and expensive devices, where a clevis pin and split ring will do?
 



Don't get this, why wouldn't you? I think it's called progress, shall I spell it for you?

Or has your automobile still got the crank handle at the front to start it up?
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