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    Posted: 16 Mar 22 at 3:39pm
Lets not give Graeme any more air-time on his ever-boring PYAG Conspiracy Theory. 

Anyhow, back on topic ..

Originally posted by Paul Smalley

There's an article on another sailing website front page essentially making the argument that the 505 has been overdeveloped and is as a result too expensive. (Probably no change out of 30k)...
Everyone wants to sail a 505... why wouldn't you, they're beautiful things....

The argument being made is that if the class allowed a 50S and could somehow shave 10k off the price it'd be a popular move. The 50S would have for example a limited number of fittings, the old spinnaker and maybe one design foils.... These boats could race at 505 events for different prizes. After all it wouldn't be significantly slower than a fully fettled 505.

1. Would this actually shave 10k off the price?
2. Is it a good idea?
3. in the process of simplifying the boat would you ruin all that's good about it?

I doubt that a 505SE would shave £10k off the pice. and even if it did, thats still a whopping £20k to lay down. So you are still in the comfortably-off-persons toy price band, and no real marketing machine behind it to make it the latest must-have - so essentially a very niche market anyway. And you would always be wanting the real machine when at a full-monty 505 event. So you would spend £20k on a used full-fat 505 wouldnt you?

(I had 2 x 505's in my much younger fitter days and had the bestest time ever sailing them, even though they were 2nd hand)


Edited by Chris_H - 16 Mar 22 at 3:44pm
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Posts: 457 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 22 at 2:27pm
That is clearly a real selling point of the 505 and has underpinned the class strength for years.   

Your second point regarding decent used boats is very pertinent to other classes as well.  There seems to be either no newish and decent used boats for sale, so, ordering new is the only option.  Or  settling for some pretty aged boats that are not going to be competitive.  I've been looking at the Hadron H2, the K1 keelboat and OKs and maybe a Phantom.   Perhaps its like the used car market where even ropey stuff is now fetching big bucks?
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Posts: 2143 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 22 at 2:38pm
I've never thought of this time of year as 'prime time' for selling second hand, to my mind it's usually 2 or even 3 months from now, early Summer, when people look to change, the good weather is really in (ha ha I know where we all live!!) and dreams of summer sailing bring out the wallets and fill up the classifieds
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Posts: 353 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 12:16pm
Fab 100 wrote:
"and a boat that weighs very little
but doesn't fall over when left in the water unattended
and doesn't have control lines he doesn't understand
and has a user-friendly assymetric not a 'proper' spinnaker
and can be sailed competitively, single handed, by someone under-height and under-weight
and has been invented in the last 3 years
and has a bandit handicap
and is a monohull dinghy

Great brief, humour gives special insights.
Someone want to give it a go?
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Posts: 2538 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 3:46pm
I shattered my prism of delusion a while ago... fun, fast enough, geared for predominantly light winds, easy to handle, not too technical....


all answered in the Devoti Zero, but there's a clog in the system still


Edited by MerlinMags - 24 Mar 22 at 5:50pm
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Originally posted by turnturtle

I shattered my prism of delusion a while ago... fun, fast enough, geared for predominantly light winds, easy to handle, not too technical....


all answered in the Devoti Zero, but there's a clog in the system still

All I can say is the D-zero exceeded my expectations in every way  Smile


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Posts: 2538 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 4:11pm
I particularly liked that it has a reasonably broad weight carrying range... or certainly that was my experience in the early days with a demo boat.
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Posts: 497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

I particularly liked that it has a reasonably broad weight carrying range... or certainly that was my experience in the early days with a demo boat.

Which is a good job as I weight two stone heavier than I did back in 2016 .  LOL
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Haha - the ubiquitous knee wrecking sh1t box … on a personal level I moved to the former European HQ of the America’s Cup… what’s the only dinghy racing on offer?


Yep, Lasers, UKLAs or whatever the frig they’re called this week…. and the locals here are even skinnier than midland pond dwellers, so I haven’t even bothered trying to skag a ride.


On a positive, the mountain biking has been beyond my wildest expectation… in that I had none.

I now rent beach cats in the summer to keep my sailing hand in.
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Posts: 3420 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 22 at 2:06pm
TT, think you need a break back in UK, speaking a foreign language and thinking in English, has affected your understandability
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