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fab100
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Topic: 50S Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 5:35pm |
Theres are interesting contrast between sportsboats and dinghies here. Sportsboats seem to have a half-life of 2-3 years, which means writing off £100 grand every couple of years. An industry insider mate explained it thus; the rich corinthian guys get hacked off that the pros have got into their latest toys and taken all the fun out of it. So they collude and move on to the next big thing. The pros follow them (‘cos that's where the sales are to be made). Rinse and repeat, ad infinitum.
This is how iGRF would like dinghies to be. If he had Thanos’s bejewelled glove he’d click his fingers and every two years, every dinghy would pixellate and disappear and we’d all start again. But I’d wager 80% of dinghy owners spend more on their berthing fee every year than on their boat. And that half the boats in dinghy parks have not had £100 spent on them in the last five years. A big contrast to sports boats.
Dinghies are where there’s persistent class racing. Dinghies are where heritage and history bring cachet. Win the 505 Euros or Worlds and you have you name on the same trophy as Paul Elvstrom and many other sailing legends (no one cares that you don’t care about these things Graeme, most do and that’s what matters). This stuff creates virtuous circles for classes; the competition is hot, which attracts more top sailors But who gives a flying @#£& if you win an Alto championship in a field of 5?
That hypothetical finger-click would not result in everyone buying a replacement, even if presented with the cash to do so. And even if they did, Merlins and GPs and Solos and RS200s would blossom again. They all work well in their niche. So would 505s, not Altos. The Weekender/Laser/Kirby-Torch/ILCA, maybe not, but the *ero holds little if any greater attraction to me personally.
Oh, and anyone buying (or not) any boat on the basis of it’s PY needs to get a life, frankly.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:06pm |
Apart from Sailjuice events, the only benefit that I can see of PY is to truck up in an old (cheap) boat and be in with a shout for a good result, since few people bother to invest heavily in boats except for one design racing
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iGRF
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:13pm |
It's an interesting discussion, but it does just illustrate how closed minded and lacking in vision y'all are. As to making suggestions as to what I want, (just one dinghy designed so it had no stupid flaws would be cool, so far, there aint one, they all suck in one way or another). As to magazines I was helping a pal develop a kitemag with page turning software whilst you lot were still tearing your mags up to wipe your collective backsides on. I did actually even put the suggestion to him to expand into the void that is small performance boat sailing where the bastions of the past bore the world to tears, but as he put it, 'show me the money' and tbh I couldn't, there aint any, it's such a closed shop and I doubt could ever be opened up to modern commercialism and so it goes on slowly but ever so surely disappearing up its own transom.
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Do Different
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:17pm |
"Oh, and anyone buying (or not) any boat on the basis of it’s PY needs to get a life, frankly."
Absolutely, couldn't agree more, end of.
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:20pm |
Originally posted by davidyacht
Apart from Sailjuice events, the only benefit that I can see of PY is to truck up in an old (cheap) boat and be in with a shout for a good result, since few people bother to invest heavily in boats except for one design racing |
I understand that you like OD racing, but you let your preference blind you to facts. There are many, many people who spend lots of money on boats that will race almost exclusively in handicap fleets. In my handicap fleet we have a National 18, some Finns, Aero’s, RS1/2/400s, Fireballs, Musto’s, Scorpions etc all of which probably cost more than the price of a new Laser.
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:20pm |
Originally posted by fab100
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Oh, and anyone buying (or not) any boat on the basis of it’s PY needs to get a life, frankly. | ^^^This.
Except maybe, if a boat does well against its PY at your club, just perhaps that's telling you it's the right kind of boat for the venue in some way? Maybe its optimum wnd range suits the venue, or the courses your club sets or the hull is right for the waves etc etc.
Also you can look at boats like the RS400 and see it has a fast PY for its size/type compared to most of its SMOD contemporaries, and maybe that tells you it's a well designed boat? Which might suggest it will be pleasant/rewarding to sail?
But most classes have so little data to base a PY on, it's a joke.
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:22pm |
Originally posted by Do Different
<span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", "Lucida Grande", "Segoe UI", Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; : rgb251, 251, 253;">"Oh, and anyone buying (or not) any boat on the basis of it’s PY needs to get a life, frankly."</span><span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", "Lucida Grande", "Segoe UI", Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; : rgb251, 251, 253;"></span> <span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", "Lucida Grande", "Segoe UI", Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; : rgb251, 251, 253;">Absolutely, couldn't agree more, end of. </span> <span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", "Lucida Grande", "Segoe UI", Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; : rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span>
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Quite agree, but anyone who has been to a sailjuice event will have seen the hotshots turn up with a two boats so they decide on the day what to use, with the decision based precisely on which one’s PY gives them the best chance of winning in the conditions.
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:37pm |
Originally posted by A2Z
Quite agree, but anyone who has been to a sailjuice event will have seen the hotshots turn up with a two boats so they decide on the day what to use, with the decision based precisely on which one’s PY gives them the best chance of winning in the conditions. |
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Except Messrs Gilbert and McGrane who have dominated this winter.
In a 505
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Do Different
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:39pm |
A2Z @ 6.22 And.................? As far as I am concerned excellent racers they may be but sailors they are not.
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Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 6:40pm |
Exactly Fab100. Sail the boat you like as best you and let the results fall how they do.
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