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    Posted: 18 Feb 22 at 1:04pm
London and Brighton, hardly typical of UK, being selfish now, but, car clubs won't fit my lifestyle or anyone I know, can't live in West Mid's and visit Wales every weekend and before anyone says anything about second home ownership, tough, anybody from any background can educate themselves into a better job, people selling houses in Wales don't accept a lower bid from a local who has probably wasted their school days and blames everybody but themselves rant over
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#2 son and his wife were members of a car club when they lived in London, they either walked, cycled or used the tube 90+% of the time. They now live in China and don't use a car at all.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Very difficult to get a balanced forecast of future car ownership, every one I have found are pushing what they think should happen, rather than what will happen. I have just read an article were the author categorically states 'young people today are so used to car clubs, they will not even consider owning a car'. Who has even seen a club owned car ?
Trains, Trams and cabs, not answering OP's original question. What happened before the rise of personal transport ?
   I only know one person in a car club, but I've worked in London and Brighton a bit, lots of people under 35 or so in both places happily not owning cars. The economics of public transport are different if you avoid the 000's a year in capital cost. A lot of older people are starting from the premise of 'needing' to commute 20 miles, 'generation rent' would move closer to work. As would many  of our parents before about 1970. As for open meetings, I joined a FB page for trading Lasers, there are an awful lot of people chartering for events. Maybe we'll see more of that, either individuals chartering a boat, or events based on charter fleets? Sunsail keep a fleet of 30(?) yachts busy so maybe we'll see a fleet of LP Por*stars rented out to different people every weekend or week? One week it's BUSA, next week it's the Endeavour or something?
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Going back the original post, most dinghies are pretty lightweight, I doubt a small capacity turbo engine woudl notice much, perhaps a small decline in the mpg as you would need to change down the gears more uphill, but no reason why you shouldn't. 

I wouldn't want to be doing it with a larger boat though.

As for what we did before the rise of personal transport?? Stayed where we were, only those that lived by the sea, lake or river would have sailed. Oh and you would have built the boat locally and is probably the reason why there are so many different classes in the old days
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Very difficult to get a balanced forecast of future car ownership, every one I have found are pushing what they think should happen, rather than what will happen. I have just read an article were the author categorically states 'young people today are so used to car clubs, they will not even consider owning a car'. Who has even seen a club owned car ?
Trains, Trams and cabs, not answering OP's original question. What happened before the rise of personal transport ?


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Originally posted by Do Different

... Why ignore the fact that we already have a functioning E transport system in railways, pile a bit more money into alternatives to spread the load.

This ^^^

But, public transport needs to be vastly improved (it can be done, on my rare treks abroad I've seen it), it needs to be cheap (or better still free for local journeys) clean and frequent. Rail is the most energy efficient form of transport but there is little incentive to use a train to get from, say, Manchester to London, rather than driving, it costs more, takes longer and while some trains are clean and modern many are old, scruffy and dirty.

Havig just booked 2 train tickets from Southampton to London and return to see a show, it is eye-wateringly expensive and it would actually be cheaper to drive and park ! The door to door travel time are not too different either
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Yup, you are right of course but the Dutch manage it, as do the Austrians, the Swedes and the Danes  Angry
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but unless the way the country is governed this will not happen. The current way is to allow the free market to determine everything, and if there's no profit it will not happen. To do this you will need to go down the nationalised route surely?

Also this will only benefit the major routes, it won't get me from the village I live in to my workplace 17 miles away. And I won't be the only one, but it should take the strain off the motorways.
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Originally posted by Do Different

... Why ignore the fact that we already have a functioning E transport system in railways, pile a bit more money into alternatives to spread the load.

This ^^^

But, public transport needs to be vastly improved (it can be done, on my rare treks abroad I've seen it), it needs to be cheap (or better still free for local journeys) clean and frequent. Rail is the most energy efficient form of transport but there is little incentive to use a train to get from, say, Manchester to London, rather than driving, it costs more, takes longer and while some trains are clean and modern many are old, scruffy and dirty.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 22 at 8:34am
I don't disagree with last post.
However.
A bit like the govt going full on about air source heat pumps and banning new gas. This blind push for all EV and banning ICE ignores real world living which requires a multi pronged approach not narrow dogma.
Yes the current infrastructure will need a massive upgrade to support universal EV. Why ignore the fact that we already have a functioning E transport system in railways, pile a bit more money into alternatives to spread the load. 
I don't know if it due to the need for simplistic headlines or policy makers living in some sort of  bubble but one size will not fit all.




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