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    Posted: 07 Feb 22 at 10:22am
Are electric cars the 'new diesel scandal'?

I don't know, but I'm pretty happy with my scandalous diesel, apart from the fact that its mileage is now higher than the sail number of my Laser. The problem is not 'diesel cars' or 'petrol cars' or 'electric cars' it's too many cars, too many peole needing to drive too far, too often. But I don't think it matters any more, I think the climate is a long way past the point of no return.
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Originally posted by NickA

We took an outlander phev to Holland a previous year and by the time we'd gone 30 miles, the battery was flat and it was just a heavy 2.0 diesel.

You did well to get 30 miles on battery, most Hybrids only have around 20 miles range before the ICE kicks in...
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Bit late on this .... But my 150bhp 1.4tsi Octavia with three large blokes inside it, towed:

A double stack trailer loaded with two javelins and all their kit, three bikes, camping gear for three.

Bit slow off the mark, getting over hills between Roscoff and Carnac a bit trying. Only got 30mpg ( usually get 50+ ). Did the job though.

One javelin no problem. One 3000, forget it's there.

We took an outlander phev to Holland a previous year and by the time we'd gone 30 miles, the battery was flat and it was just a heavy 2.0 diesel.
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Originally posted by NicolaJayne

Originally posted by eric_c

I don't think hybrids or BEVs are really ready to provide for towing just yet.



seen the current X5  hybrid ?

a friend of mine is being messed around on delivery  dates for hers at present ; however , in terms of  this thread- she and her wife chose the X5  because of towing capacity ( might want to tow an enclaosed car trailer for  competition car) and interior space  (thinking about  family  needs) ... 

A claimed electric range of 54 miles. Likely about 40 when towing a boat?
A very expensive bit of greenwashing, which is likely to use more dinosaur fuel than my old banger on a typical open meeting weekend. It's immensely heavy and will use a lot of enegy. Probably has a higher lifetime carbon footprint than a lot of sensible petrol cars.

Plugin hybrids are very good for some people. I have a mate who has one, he generally manages to use it about 90% electric, but he's on call and needs to know he can drive a long way at short notice, so a pure BEV wouldn't work.
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Originally posted by eric_c

I don't think hybrids or BEVs are really ready to provide for towing just yet.



seen the current X5  hybrid ?

a friend of mine is being messed around on delivery  dates for hers at present ; however , in terms of  this thread- she and her wife chose the X5  because of towing capacity ( might want to tow an enclaosed car trailer for  competition car) and interior space  (thinking about  family  needs) ... 
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The solution at the moment is to power the trailer/caravan itself.
Out there and, apparently, available to buy.

Towed 240 miles across the Alps recently, behind an Audi E-Tron Sportback without recharging.

And this, a small teardrop trailer, with its own power source, that charges your EV as you go.
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/12/new-teardrop-trailer-for-electric-vehicles/



Edited by fleaberto - 06 Oct 21 at 10:34am
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Last weekend we had an open at our club and it was the first time that I saw a Tesla tow a boat and an IPace, so people are doing it!
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I don't think hybrids or BEVs are really ready to provide for towing just yet.
OTOH with the rate of change in the market, I wouldn't be spending on a brand new fossil fuel car, as its value in a few years' time might be hit hard. Likewise, BEVs are improving fast and getting cheaper, so current models could lose a lot of value. We might replace 'her' car with a BEV in a couple of years, maybe in 5 years there will be a nice BEV alternative to my current diesel estate.
BEV makers are probably quite right to concentrate on the average car users, who do less than 8k miles a year and avoid getting involved with towing, because too many people who tow. tow caravans which is horrendous in terms of kwh per mile.

There may be a period when there is a shortage of decent used cars which can tow, but it's unlikely to be a real problem in the next 12 years or so?
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We're running an older Toyota Yaris Hybrid.
I understand that the new models have a towing capability - so care may be needed.
The Hybrid system really works best (for us) in town where there's lots of stop/start traffic. We'll get about 55mpg+ around town, and about the same on long journeys. Think of it as a sophisticated start/stop engine system. There's no delay in moving off (unlike petrol start/stop systems) and it's auto transmission.

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