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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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I think it depends on your expectations. If you go on a walking holiday expecting to while away days on the beach with a never ending supply of beverages arriving at a click of your fingers you're probably going to be disappointed. Trying to mix a championships and a family holiday is always a compromise. Things rarely go exactly to plan unless you are incredibly fortunate with the weather, which has been quite unusual for the last few weeks. When weighing up the do we / don't we debate on a marginal day the organisers have to deal with the 25% of the fleet who have gone solely to race - and 25% of those will happily sit by their boat until dark on the off chance of racing - and the 25% of the fleet who have gone for a holiday all of whom if its going to be canned want it canned early so that they can drift off. To be seen to please both of these camps is not possible, you have to adopt a middle ground and this means that both sides of the argument need to be reasonable, which they usually are. Many classes have made large changes to championship structure and a week long event with 6 hour days on the water are now a thing of the past. The "long weekend" format where by racing is done by Tuesday also has merits as you then get the rest off the week for holiday but - in my view - this format is very inflexible and vulnerable to a storm or a stubborn high pressure and you will definitely have long days to get the racing in. So I think the message is that if you haven't been for a long time you should probably give it another try. I'd suggest any class with a turnout of 30 or more has probably got the balance right for most of the time because if they hadn't the back of the fleet wouldn't go - the middle / back of the fleet is where your numbers come from, any established class con drum up 20 hot shots. But don't go expecting to launch at 11, land at 1 with regular precision every day - you can't even do that at Dinghy Week!
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Now it all makes so much more sense! I have been trying to work out where some of the more vocal people on this forum are coming from when they opine on the issues facing our sport and their views seem so detached from what I hear from those that are out there racing - they do not even go to the nationals!! Makes total sense now.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Most active sailors don't you know. Only a fraction of the number of boats we see in the larger classes in the PY system go to the championships. |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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David, JimC, Sarge, anyone else want to discuss race management oddities, how about you start a new thread in the Race Management forum.
BTW copy of the SI here https://www.solosailing.org.uk/media/7115/2021-si-v1.pdf |
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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I am loathe to get drawn into a critique of the Solo Nationals race management beyond where I have gone already. I do a fair amount of PRO duties and have no formal training … I just try to deliver what I would like to experience as a competitor and learn from our mistakes. I believe the event was MBSC’s first event for two years, it was run by volunteers, and the PRO was dealt a poor hand by the forecast wind direction, which baffled competitors because all forecasts looked good, but the RO knew otherwise, and was proved to be correct.
The Solo class sent out a Survey Monkey questionaire yesterday where we have been given a chance to voice our thoughts, hopefully MBSC and NSCA will get a chance to learn from the responses and move forward.
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Not so sure about that lol At our club , my wife and I are the only people that have ever gone to a nationals and there only half a dozen people that ever done a open meeting . BUT I have still never ever heard anything like some of the opinions expressed on here at club level
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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It’s actually not for everyone and there are some people who club race week in week out who shouldn’t go. They won’t enjoy it. That’s ok and the sport needs to cater for them too. “Don’t even” - those that do are the rarer breed. Without those who don’t you have zero grass roots sailing, no racing below Olympic classes and therefore no “smaller” classes. You make the more shocking statement I’m afraid. Edited by Paramedic - 31 Aug 21 at 1:22pm |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Most at my club have done nationals and opens, one of them did a couple of Whitbread's, but not many of us anyway, I have been to more than half a dozen, only knowledge it adds, is what to do at nationals and opens.
Should add, valuable free coaching is a very good reason to go, particular thanks to Rupert and others. Edited by 423zero - 31 Aug 21 at 3:35pm |
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Do you want an echo chamber of like minded people confirming your biases? If you only let national attendees have an opinion your sport will soon disappear up its own backside… For my part I have been to about a dozen national champs, and generally I have enjoyed them but they nearly always fail to match the hype and the reports often seem to bare little resemblance to my own experience. A weeks annual leave and £1000 or so costs is more than many will risk.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Been to dozens over the years from 100+ Firefly & Merlin Nationals since the 80s, to smaller inland based champs for many singlehanded classes, various asymmetric classes and Classics Nationals, so no stranger to champs. These days I spend my weekends running training at a sailing club, so chances to travel are few. My apologies if my view of large sea champs doesn't tally exactly with your own. No wonder we have few people posting if their views get shot down by pillocks like you. |
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