Argo vs Lazer 2000

Originally posted by Gordon 1430 very different. 2000 heavy solid underpowered good boat for novice and bandit in a blow. RS200 Much lighter has massive following hence 120 boat nationals great team work boat. unsuitable for kent dinosaurs

Au contraire Gordon, I'm quite OK with them, just don't recommend them to folk who ask.. And here's a little message from me to you whilst sailing one..



Edited by iGRF - 18 Aug 21 at 4:32pm

very different. 2000 heavy solid underpowered good boat for novice and bandit in a blow.

Originally posted by Neil&theSea Thanks That really helps It’s not just me that thinks “ it’s really, really, really” sensitive N

A product from another time, when folk were conned into believing it's because they were bad sailors that a particular craft didn't work as it should. Happily that time has now past, thanks in part to the advent of people discussing things like this on the internet and refusing to be 'shamed' into believing they were not 'good enough' unless they spent every hour of every day practising, because this or that outrageously difficult craft needed very skilled handling.

Fact is, sailing in the elements, learning the vaguaries of the wind, shifts, tides, currents, interboat tactics, is difficult and enjoyable enough (if you get it right) without some badly designed, in some cases over canvassed, un stable nightmare adding to the problem and removing the joy of sailing in strong wind.

One day I think I'm going to compile a list of boats to avoid and you can trust me when I say the 200 will be right up there, my real problem however is finding any not to put on the list, every single one of them has its problems and you do need to put some effort in, to master any boats foibles. But some are more worth the effort than others. I wouldn't waste another hour on an RS200 unless you're set on class racing and have a very good crew.


Edited by iGRF - 18 Aug 21 at 1:30pm

N12......all that work for so little forward progress.

Thought the 200 was based on a 12. Designed by 12 sailor and previous 12 designer. They have much in common.

......anyway, it's a horses for courses thing.

Originally posted by Neptune Like all boats a lot tends to be based upon your references, having sailed and got over the learning hump on some tricky boats I’d say the 200 is actually really quite docile and it’s sensitivity is really more down to longitudinal trim.  As someone who’s possibly a little heavier than you that’s the problem I’ve found with mine is keeping weight forward especially if you are not hiking. It’s summer, waters warm, stick with it and if things go wrong provided the crew doesn’t worry it’s not clear where the problem is.