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    Posted: 26 Jun 21 at 7:53pm
Yes. There are newer and better boats in this section of the market. But none sell in the numbers or have the world reach as the ILCA/ Laser . Even the most successful of the new boats , the RS aero doesn’t come anywhere close. Unfortunately it will be the dominant singlehanded boat for at least the next two decades. After all what other class has a builder in China, South American ,Asia , Japan, Australia and multiple builders  in Europe ? 
When this all kicked off I really hoped it would mean the end of the ILCA/ Laser as the dominant singlehander and hoped the Aero and Zero would fill the gap. But all that happened for most of the world is that it’s reinforced its position . 
The UK is different, what with the long term success of the Solo and the impact of the Aero. For my part I also don’t have a dog in this fight , I enjoyed my laser sailing in the past but cannot see any way I would ever have another one. Fingers crossed a d zero will be siting in my boat parking space by the end of the year  Smile
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Who .. except a few that are involved or who are commercially at risk really care anymore ?   Increasingly this is yesterdays fight surely ....
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Still no events run , some planed ,let’s wait and see how many happen .
 As someone that’s followed this saga from the very start there is one side that has always had the best interests of sailors at heart and another side that failed to keep its side it’s side of  loads of join agreements, lost in USA courts and made LPE bankrupt so it does not  need to pay the damages awarded against it ( a tactic the owner has used before so didn’t have pay parents of children that had their finger chopped off by his baby buggies) . 
So maybe no one in this mess comes up smelling of roses, but the blame for this mess falls much harder on one side than the other. 
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Quick look on TLC Facebook page, shows five week long events in five European countries, presumably they can also take part in British open handicap events, Great Lakes etc?
No axe to grind in this issue, I don't think anyone in this Saga can claim the high ground.
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Err name any race organised for ‘ the laser class ‘ in this country or anywhere in the world for that matter . 
Basically LPE is selling its boats to sailing schools in the USA and supplying replica parts to club sailors who are not bothered about being class legal . 
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The Laser class is still active, they have accessories for sale, including a 'logo' to cover up the ILCA logo on your sail, padded toe straps with Laser logo on, Laser not illegal to them.
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I just took a look on Apollo duck.  Literally none of the first 8 I looked at (at which point I stopped looking) mentioned WS plaques or ILCA or any such thing. 
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I totally disagree. Just look at every advert for Lasers on Apollo duck or on fb dinghy and dinghy bits site, they all stress the fact they have a WS plaque 
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Originally posted by Grumpycat


Originally posted by 423zero

Or buy a new Laser from LP for almost half the price.

True but you are buying a non class legal boat  , which cannot be sailed in class events , which is built to a unknown and unchecked spec. 
So yes it will be cheap to buy but it will have a lot less value than a class legal boat when you come sell it .
You pays your money and you take your choice. Smile


But I suspect most sailors still wouldn’t know what the difference is between them. They look the same and one has the laser logo on the sail so is the laser, I reckon they’ll hold their used price better than you think
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Originally posted by 423zero

Or buy a new Laser from LP for almost half the price.

True but you are buying a non class legal boat  , which cannot be sailed in class events , which is built to a unknown and unchecked spec. 
So yes it will be cheap to buy but it will have a lot less value than a class legal boat when you come sell it .

You pays your money and you take your choice. Smile
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