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    Posted: 24 Mar 21 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by H2

Originally posted by Do Different

Edit to add ref. earlier H2.

Why would I be disappointed? I suggest that's one for your head alone, not mine.

But were you really teaching the next generation? Maybe youngsters, however children of well known sailors were not the grateful and needful group of complete newcomers I was referring to.

I try to remain non judgemental and make general observations. 

My only disappointment is that I have felt the need to make a personal and rare response. 

If people want to learn to sail there are plenty of sailing schools available that are desperate for business. Most clubs also charge for RYA courses. I am happy to train the youth of tomorrow and you do not like that you were wrong in your comments. Whatever.

Many thanks for completing the picture.
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You have a point but clubs are run by committees. Lets say they open it up to fishermen, canoeists, triathletes as well as sailing. That committee now has to find a way of managing all those conflicting priorities. The summary for me is if you are doing alright as a sailing club then why bother with the hassle. My local club lets triathletes use the club on a separate night. They get some cash and the triathletes get somewhere to change. It works well but mainly in my view because it is transaction relationship with limited interaction. 
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Having been a sailing club committee chairman for 13 years a major concern with inviting other activities is the one of control. If you simply allow new members who's interests are different (canoeing/SUP/Open water swimming or WHY) to join you run the risk of those members taking control of the club and changing the focus from dinghy sailing, even, ultimately, ceasing to support/conduct dinghy racing and related activities.
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Plenty of ways of avoiding a "takeover". Running it as a separate group affiliated to the club is very easy. A swim (or SUP, or whatever) membership with no voting rights, also easy.
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Originally posted by 423zero

RNLI have no issues whatsoever with call outs, their policy is to not judge,

No, they leave that to the coroner if necessary.
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Worth looking at the data, walking near water is twenty times more risky that sailing


Obviously considerably more people walk near water than sail but a group of experienced dinghy sailors aren’t going to any concern to the RNLI vs a sub £15 inflatable dinghy from Amazon 
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Originally posted by tink

Worth looking at the data, walking near water is twenty times more risky that sailing


Obviously considerably more people walk near water than sail but a group of experienced dinghy sailors aren’t going to any concern to the RNLI vs a sub £15 inflatable dinghy from Amazon 

I don't have a problem with sailing without cover having mitigated the risk which something I think we will all have done at some point.

I have a large problem with the bit I quoted. It makes the rest of what the posted irrelevant if the initial statement is any part of his decision making process before he goes out.

Sorry, its just an irresponsible thing to say.
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Paramedic. I was generally adding to the discussion rather than replying to yourself. The RNLI do a fantastic job that is now completely different to the job it was fifty years ago and thought they are 100% professional it must take great strength not to give people a good lesson. The good nature of volunteers should not be a consideration when deciding whether it is safe to go out.
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RNLI, deliberately take the attitude of not censuring people they rescue, they don't want people to hesitate in seeking help, the quicker you seek help, the easier the rescue is.
They have the same policy regarding salvage, regardless of how long the tow or rescue. They were criticised recently for refusing to tow an unmanned boat off the beach, reason being there was no one in danger.
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