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    Posted: 25 Mar 21 at 6:41pm
Worth looking at the data, walking near water is twenty times more risky that sailing


Obviously considerably more people walk near water than sail but a group of experienced dinghy sailors aren’t going to any concern to the RNLI vs a sub £15 inflatable dinghy from Amazon 
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Originally posted by 423zero

RNLI have no issues whatsoever with call outs, their policy is to not judge,

No, they leave that to the coroner if necessary.
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Plenty of ways of avoiding a "takeover". Running it as a separate group affiliated to the club is very easy. A swim (or SUP, or whatever) membership with no voting rights, also easy.
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Having been a sailing club committee chairman for 13 years a major concern with inviting other activities is the one of control. If you simply allow new members who's interests are different (canoeing/SUP/Open water swimming or WHY) to join you run the risk of those members taking control of the club and changing the focus from dinghy sailing, even, ultimately, ceasing to support/conduct dinghy racing and related activities.
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You have a point but clubs are run by committees. Lets say they open it up to fishermen, canoeists, triathletes as well as sailing. That committee now has to find a way of managing all those conflicting priorities. The summary for me is if you are doing alright as a sailing club then why bother with the hassle. My local club lets triathletes use the club on a separate night. They get some cash and the triathletes get somewhere to change. It works well but mainly in my view because it is transaction relationship with limited interaction. 
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Originally posted by H2

Originally posted by Do Different

Edit to add ref. earlier H2.

Why would I be disappointed? I suggest that's one for your head alone, not mine.

But were you really teaching the next generation? Maybe youngsters, however children of well known sailors were not the grateful and needful group of complete newcomers I was referring to.

I try to remain non judgemental and make general observations. 

My only disappointment is that I have felt the need to make a personal and rare response. 

If people want to learn to sail there are plenty of sailing schools available that are desperate for business. Most clubs also charge for RYA courses. I am happy to train the youth of tomorrow and you do not like that you were wrong in your comments. Whatever.

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I have raced pretty continuously since the mid seventies till now, but I am pretty sure that you needed to be a member of an RYA recognised club in the days when you had to present a measurement and insurance certificate in order to enter an open meeting.  

I suspect that the RYA thing is patchy from class to class, but I find it hard to hold such sailors in high esteem.  As stated previously those that decide to opt out of club membership, but reap the benefits of the volunteers who run Opens and Championships are not bringing that much to the game.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

In Pre-Covid times it would have been possible to race in relatively local open meetings most weekends which would obviate the need to be a member of a club ... the problem as a previous poster points out is that this approach relies on the selflessness of volunteers at clubs to run open events.  In times gone bye you could not participate in open events without being a member of a sailing club, however there is an increasing use of RYA membership to avoid this arrangement.  Also back in the day the open meeting sailor returned to their club for the winter, which often offered the most competitive racing, however this may have been overridden by the plethora of one off winter events


David,

How far back is your back in the day? When I started on the open circuit in the 80s and 90s there were a good few racing under RYA membership. Probably less than I observe today.

I do agree that the winter handicap events may have have had an impact. We enjoyed the 2012 SailJuice but decided to winter club race thereafter.

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Originally posted by Do Different

Edit to add ref. earlier H2.

Why would I be disappointed? I suggest that's one for your head alone, not mine.

But were you really teaching the next generation? Maybe youngsters, however children of well known sailors were not the grateful and needful group of complete newcomers I was referring to.

I try to remain non judgemental and make general observations. 

My only disappointment is that I have felt the need to make a personal and rare response. 

If people want to learn to sail there are plenty of sailing schools available that are desperate for business. Most clubs also charge for RYA courses. I am happy to train the youth of tomorrow and you do not like that you were wrong in your comments. Whatever.
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