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   Interesting post Dougal and I can’t wait for the Christmas edition ... I will be interested to see the evidence for your thesis.  I would suggest that the truly breakthrough boats in development classes and in one designs have been holistic approaches that consider the hull, rig and controls ... which have generally been effected by industry insiders, notables include Phil Morrison with William, Summer Wine and the N12 Freefall which I owned, the mainsail luff had more holes than a sheet of postage stamps, Punkarella and DCB were also holistic by Jo Richards , and I would throw Grace by Steve Benjamin into the mix.  Most amateur innovation tends to be tinkering the Mike Jackson would be a notable exception.

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davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Topic: PY - BANDITS Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 7:40pm
	Interesting post Dougal and I can’t wait for the Christmas edition ... I will be interested to see the evidence for your thesis. I would suggest that the truly breakthrough boats in development classes and in one designs have been holistic approaches that consider the hull, rig and controls ... which have generally been effected by industry insiders, notables include Phil Morrison with William, Summer Wine and the N12 Freefall which I owned, the mainsail luff had more holes than a sheet of postage stamps, Punkarella and DCB were also holistic by Jo Richards , and I would throw Grace by Steve Benjamin into the mix. Most amateur innovation tends to be tinkering the Mike Jackson would be a notable exception.
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Dougaldog Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dougaldog Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 8:02pm
	Davidyacht - hate to say it but Steve B wasn't the prime mover behind Grace -although he sailed it to great effect, there were others who made the boat what it was (and it was only just a 5o5 - you had to be a very lenient measurer to get it to pass on the best day it had,,,) and.............. not being pedantic but the Howlett Ibs were not made at Hamble, but at 'The Shed' (the sailing equivalent of the Skunk works in more ways than one) aka Unit 6b at Bury Farm, Burridge. That isn't like calling it weymouth when it is actually Portland, or even Salcombe when it is Kingsbridge but a whole order of magnitude worse! There were some boats that came off that mould - Damon's Stealth boat....Russell Peter's PoW winner, Septic Slug, Little Rooster, Perfect Sister - the clear green all kevlar boat..... happy days! D
	Dougal H

Dougaldog Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dougaldog Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 8:08pm
	I'm trying to insert a pic of the Howlett...so much fun and today you can pick them up for peanuts and have a lot of fun!
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davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 8:20pm
	I shall await Mr Ridges response, but wasn’t the first Howlett built by a Bungy Taylor, Law, Smith set up at Hamble Yacht Services? I concede that Ridgys Kevlar boat and several other 1a’s came off the same mould. Russell Peters/Damon/the Macs boats I thought were off a different 1b mould which later got faired up by Ovi, we had the second or third one. I think the Macs was Little Rocket but their greatest contribution was their leaving “Larry the car” in the foyer of the St Francis Yacht Club two days after the funeral of StFYC favourite son Tom Blackaller at same club. You know more than I about Grace, but always considered her to be something quite special, though was probably the start of an arms race that moved the class away from the off the shelf Parker’s and Rondars.
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mongrel Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304	Post Options Post Reply Quote mongrel Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 8:57pm
	Davidyacht, did you have 1301?

davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 9:07pm
	Yep
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mongrel Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304	Post Options Post Reply Quote mongrel Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 9:23pm
	I crewed for Simon, who bought it from you, he sold it on to a Danish lad in Copenhagen at the end of the 1995 worlds.

davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar 21 at 9:45pm
	Lovely boats but family and business got in the way, so couldn’t get the time on the water
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Gordon 1430 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gordon 1430 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 21 at 9:49am
	Hi Gents Did Malcom Jacques Cherub Lemon Drop come before the Howlet 1b. My memory says it was a Howlet design he had built with the aim of winning the light wind nationals at dabchicks. Jim C may know as he is into Cherubs. I sailed a Grace copy for many years, very fast upwind but slower down against the Kerwoods and later Rondars from Pauls era.
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 21 at 11:34am
	Malcolm's Cherub was launched in 1984. Might have been before the 14, not sure at this distance. Rebel, as she was called in my day at least, certainly won a light airs Nationals at West Mersea in 1984, but boy, did she have a top speed problem. That's why she had no influence on subsequent Cherub design.