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Chris_H ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237 |
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Cool. Good news. I was thinking along the lines of the boat owner buying the tracker and it registered to the boat perm. Saves costs for the club and event organisers
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Chris_H ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237 |
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What did the 505 Worlds in Weymouth use a few years ago? I know they all used trackers.
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Simon Lovesey ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
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That was SAP, interestingly they (and others) use the same GPS tracking unit as we do. The ability to automatically record finishes has existed for many years and widely used at big events, this technology is becoming more accessible and affordable.
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Online Sailing Results, GPS Tracking & Event Management |
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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Not sure you can do the RFID with that approach. Runners run over the mat. If you have a 'gate' that they need to cross through it could have a sensor on each end but you want it not to rotate, have a range of several metres, be able to get data not just a 'tag is present' and have a beam for the line. And presumably the line needs to let at least 3 boats cross overlapping. So 4 or 5 boat widths minimum. Even on an Oppi your gate is 7m wide. Not sure it will unpick 1st and 2nd any better than the GPS solutions. If you are lap counting you also need to track that. GPS at least let's you track the whole race to learn from it. Only reason not to permanently mount the GPS tracker is battery... But it could have solar. And it could have movement sensor to activate it. May need a WiFi mast near the slipway (or on committee boat?) to download the data when you come ashore. No need to use mobile data to do it, although it wouldn't go amiss for live tracking. I also wanted to pick up some of what others have said DSRC will struggle with 40 boats. Possibly. But if you have 40 boats you have a pool of 40 volunteers. Let's assume you decide 2 RIBs double crewed and 3 race team. 12.5% of people running race. Race now 35 boats. If you have 7 boats, you have 7 volunteers. 2 crew on RIb. 1 guy on committee boat now running a race for 4! You end up OD every second or third week. 43% running the race! There are clubs running at these kinds of numbers. Simply getting the RO to race, takes you to 2/3rds racing. 5 racers instead of 4. Those can be enough to make the race worthwhile for the other guy who doesn't normally bother... Soon you have 10 racers... I like doing RO. I like doing results. I like sailing. One day I might even win a race and decide I like that. In theory Simon's solution only needs 10 devices for to that club of 10 racers... That's probably still 5 memberships for those small clubs. The install this app (free) stick it in this £10 case, secure to boat approach must be quite appealing as a way to get into giving it a go... Does it need to know if you went round all the marks? At that level of racing - how many times you crossed the gate would be fine. And the time from start to finish. Ideally for a few races. (More short racers better than endurance). I like DSRC. But it's for race officers. Not a tracker solution.. interesting that no-one has said 'we are doing this' beyond the Simon solution... |
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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yeah was just guessing, knew the range would be a pitfall, fine in handcap racing if you had a finish post (that doesnt rotate) they have to basically hit...
not a solution thats for sure.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Shame (sail) number recognition can't be employed, like at Dartford Crossing. A piece of bespoke software and a camera pointing at the line would be all the tech you'd need. I suppose if there were loads of dosh involved it would have already happened.
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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If the camera was good enough you don't need the ANPR part anyway. (Although that bit could be easy)
You just need a still each time a boat crosses the line with a time. You can manually do it from 15 stills in a few seconds. But... The issue is reading the number. Dartford Crossing can control the car angle etc |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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It can't read the number on the hidden mainsail any more than ANPR can read mine if I'm behind an artic. Sure the ANPR will get me at the next camera but that isn't going to be available at a club race.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Numbers will need to be on Hull, front and rear sides and deck.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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A laser would just be a blur of numbers! |
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