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    Posted: 28 Dec 20 at 5:19pm
I think the story could have been different had boards been awarded yardsticks and clubs encouraged to permit participation. There are no 'Windsurfers' or Dinghy Sailors or Kitesurfers or whatever, we're all the same people enjoying the wind and water in whatever means takes our fancy.

Dinghy racing to me has just been an extension of the skillset I have enjoyed for years racing boards, the tactics are slightly different and the sensation can be a little dull and confound all the bloody ropes, but I love it just the same and think it can carry me beyond the occasional fears I get of pulled muscles on boards stuck somewhere offshore and in pain trying to get back, at least with a boat you can fall into it and jiggle your way back.

I do so hate the indifference shown to us at grass roots, the RYA was never great, but God it was Oh so much better back in the day, before commercialisation and 'professionalism' took its toll. They have missed so many tricks by ignoring board sports and the world could have been so much better for organised activity with a little more vision and co operation with the various supply trades as we had back in the day.

But hell, it all pales in the face of Covid, I wonder just how it's all going to end.

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Originally posted by iGRF

I think the story could have been different had boards been awarded yardsticks and clubs encouraged to permit participation. There are no 'Windsurfers' or Dinghy Sailors or Kitesurfers or whatever, we're all the same people enjoying the wind and water in whatever means takes our fancy.

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Dinghy racing to me has just been an extension of the skillset I have enjoyed for years racing boards, the tactics are slightly different and the sensation can be a little dull and confound all the bloody ropes, but I love it just the same and think it can carry me beyond the occasional fears I get of pulled muscles on boards stuck somewhere offshore and in pain trying to get back, at least with a boat you can fall into it and jiggle your way back.

I went the other way, and then back again, but exactly the same sentiments. 

I do so hate the indifference shown to us at grass roots, the RYA was never great, but God it was Oh so much better back in the day, before commercialisation and 'professionalism' took its toll. They have missed so many tricks by ignoring board sports and the world could have been so much better for organised activity with a little more vision and co operation with the various supply trades as we had back in the day.

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But hell, it all pales in the face of Covid, I wonder just how it's all going to end.

I'm just trying to keep optimistic, nothing else to do. There's a vaccine, there are better treatments, and people will get more sensible so things will improve.
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600,000 doses in just under a month, ten months six million doses, need to substantially increase, will probably get it done towards the end of the year, 2022, should be back to normal.
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But, IIRC, we only need to vaccinate 9% of the population to achieve 81% reduction in transmission. TBF, I can't remember the source of that nugget as it was a good few days ago but I am pretty sure it was science based.
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Sam, think you have got sums back to front.
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I must admit I was surprised how low the vaccination percentage was to achieve that reduction but it was definitely that way round. As I said I can't remember the source but if I do I'll post.
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Originally posted by 423zero

600,000 doses in just under a month, ten months six million doses, need to substantially increase, will probably get it done towards the end of the year, 2022, should be back to normal.


600k doses in 12 days I think. First dose was 8th December, the 600k figure is to week ending 20th Dec.

There are many limiting factors. But at 29th December that was the original 50 hospitals that received stock and were then distributing it.

Modelling anything based on that first few weeks is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

But, IIRC, we only need to vaccinate 9% of the population to achieve 81% reduction in transmission. TBF, I can't remember the source of that nugget as it was a good few days ago but I am pretty sure it was science based.


Yeah you are gonna need to find a reliable reference
For that because that's not 'normal' in terms of numbers. So either it's a misquote or it isn't the whole story...

Possibilities could be 9% of population by age could account for 81% of deaths /hospital admissions. I don't know but that seems possible. So vaccination of 9% could reduce hospital admissions by that much.

Reduction in transmission by 81% sounds good. But... If that reduces R by 81% that would be impressive. More possible it reduces it to 81% of its previous level. So an R of 2.3 reduces to 1.8, and It has been suggested the new variant has an R > 4 (with no mitigation). *But* R is currently maybe 1.2 nationwide (worse in the bottom corner).   So if that was the case, you can get R below 1.

Getting R below 1, with all the current mitigations, and stopping the oldies getting sick means you can stop worrying about the youngsters so much (although it's still a horrid disease if you get symptoms and for some recovery is slow and a small proportion don't recover). But on a population basis which is what government cares about and therefore what affects our sport - R <1, excess deaths close to 0, hospitals not exceeding capacity are the three things that matter.

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Reading about it, no one knows yet. It depends upon whether the vaccine reduces the symptoms, so leaving people able to spread it, or whether it stops it completely. Apparantly tests are ongoing. But even high estimates are for a 60% reduction of a 4th wave.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32318-7/fulltext
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9rKYi_3y7QIVwuvtCh2HyQ1YEAAYASACEgK4bPD_BwE


Edited by 423zero - 29 Dec 20 at 10:29am
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