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    Posted: 27 Dec 20 at 5:09pm
My point was more that probably less than 10% of windsurfers race but windsurf racing still happens, there's less of it than dinghy racing, but there has never been the same culture of racing amongst the majority of windsurfers. Back in the 60's I'd say maybe 50% of dinghy sailors who sail regularly race regularly. But in both cases participation has fallen significantly since their heyday (60's for dinghies 80's for windsurfers).
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Interesting I couldn't have said that windsurfing participants had reduced.

My fear remains that people increasingly have less free time and giving up a weekend to run racing for someone else will be low priority. Which reduces the numbers of people who do it, which instead of 1-2 per year becomes 2-3 then 3-4 and suddenly it isn't sustainable. So number of races reduces (I hear this at lots of clubs - "we now only race every second week")... Suddenly a windy weekend means you are racing monthly. Busy that weekend you might only race once in 6 weeks. It's no longer a regular activity. You de-skill. Your performance reduces. You loose interest....

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Originally posted by Rupert

This year we have scrapped the traditional "duty" system as too many people have been unable to make it to the club. Racers and people who feel like it have stepped in, and racing has run fine. I'm sure there have been difficult to read names and a few dodgy timings, but everything seems fo have made it up onto sailwave. I'm sure it could have been done electronically, but I can't see how that changes the relationship between the race committee and the members.


This year has been very different.

People wanted to race. There were more people "at home" - no holidays, weddings festivals etc. People became time rich (or at least those not doing overtime at Hospitals - we seem to have an unusually large NHS membership!) and this year has been about pulling together and finding a way.

But this year has also been about saying can we do it differently. Do we need two people on a RIB? Do we need 2 on the committee boat? Do we need to have 60 minute races or would we prefer 20minute races?

But... Turning up not knowing if you will be racing or might have to step in as OoD is not a great way to keep members... So the question remains - CA. The "OoD" race? The only way that is possible (and to actually get results) is with tech. But why not ?   

We had unofficial racing happening in the laser fleet before we had safety cover back on. They met on Wednesday night. They rabbit started.. they didn't capture results or post them..the racers on the night knew who won. But there was no series and no correction for Rig and no way for another sailor to participate in a different boat and get a result...





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Originally posted by polc1410

Interesting I couldn't have said that windsurfing participants had reduced.

I'd say windsurfing has declined in 30 years more than dinghy sailing has in 60, the first Windsurfer Worlds in 1976 had 456 entries!

My fear remains that people increasingly have less free time and giving up a weekend to run racing for someone else will be low priority. Which reduces the numbers of people who do it, which instead of 1-2 per year becomes 2-3 then 3-4 and suddenly it isn't sustainable. So number of races reduces (I hear this at lots of clubs - "we now only race every second week")... Suddenly a windy weekend means you are racing monthly. Busy that weekend you might only race once in 6 weeks. It's no longer a regular activity. You de-skill. Your performance reduces. You loose interest....


This is a risk certainly and, while it also applies to other sports, the effort need to go sailing for the day is greater, and more time consuming, than say cycling or running which you can do and get a good workout in a couple of hours or less. The duties thing is more a matter of discipline and commitment but I get what you mean, when I was chairman of the windsurfing club, by the end of my tenure I attended more committee meetings than I did days sailing in the year.
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I think a club is in trouble if they can't get three people to run races, serious club meetings need to be called.
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Lots of racing windsurfers went on to become the performance skiff generation of the nineties and noughties. Wind surfers also became kitesurfers and any other action sport which caught their attention.

Winsurfers were totally neglected by their Governing body, who failed to fullfil their promise of opening up the waters of the country to them and many clubs closed their doors, to this day they've never been granted a racing yardstick. The Bullsh*t claim that their speed differential was too great put to the failed test of hypocrisy by foiling.

As for racing those of us that persevered down the years made do with rabbit starts and remembering where we came and who was in front and behind us.

There are growing classes still in other parts of the world(Kona, Windsurfer & LT) but every attempt at introducing them is frustrated by guess who. Unless the class was instantly Olympic, zero interest is shown, and it is f'king embarrassing when one shows up they've no idea about yet suddenly all their coaches become 'experts'.

So being the b**tard step child its always been, Windsurfing exists on the fringes at grass roots organisation level, goes nowhere near sailing clubs except on the odd distance event like the Round Hayling so hardly surprising it declined.

But now dingy racing of which I've only been interested in since relatively recently is also under similar threats from more of the same, rampant disinterest in grass roots, money only for yoof which is then discarded at age levels and jobs for the boys on the Olympic gravy train, heaven help them if sailing loses its Olympic slot.

So yes, we're all pretty much f**ked in the margins.

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Originally posted by iGRF

Lots of racing windsurfers went on to become the performance skiff generation of the nineties and noughties. Wind surfers also became kitesurfers and any other action sport which caught their attention.

Winsurfers were totally neglected by their Governing body, who failed to fullfil their promise of opening up the waters of the country to them and many clubs closed their doors, to this day they've never been granted a racing yardstick. The Bullsh*t claim that their speed differential was too great put to the failed test of hypocrisy by foiling.

As for racing those of us that persevered down the years made do with rabbit starts and remembering where we came and who was in front and behind us.

There are growing classes still in other parts of the world(Kona, Windsurfer & LT) but every attempt at introducing them is frustrated by guess who. Unless the class was instantly Olympic, zero interest is shown, and it is f'king embarrassing when one shows up they've no idea about yet suddenly all their coaches become 'experts'.

So being the b**tard step child its always been, Windsurfing exists on the fringes at grass roots organisation level, goes nowhere near sailing clubs except on the odd distance event like the Round Hayling so hardly surprising it declined.

But now dingy racing of which I've only been interested in since relatively recently is also under similar threats from more of the same, rampant disinterest in grass roots, money only for yoof which is then discarded at age levels and jobs for the boys on the Olympic gravy train, heaven help them if sailing loses its Olympic slot.

So yes, we're all pretty much f**ked in the margins.

I almost agree with all of this (and have been saying most of it here in the frozen north for 25 years)...  Angry 
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Do you really think 'Windsurfing' could have been organised? I have never seen any evidence that windsurfers have/had any interest in joining anything other than their mates for a jolly, would be like trying to Herd cats.
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Do you really think 'Windsurfing' could have been organised? I have never seen any evidence that windsurfers have/had any interest in joining anything other than their mates for a jolly, would be like trying to Herd cats.

Yes, it could (to a point), but it was handled very badly by the 'governing bodies. It is different to dinghies insomuch as 'recreational windsurfers' mostly don't join clubs* or support 'governing bodies' whereas a fair percentage of non-racing dinghy sailors do. But the 10% that race windsurfers do, mostly, belong to some kind if organisation.

* I was chairman of a NW windsurfing club for a number of years which has been around since the early '80s and is, in many ways, similar to a typical small dinghy club in that it holds a lease on it's water, foreshore and club buildings, the main difference is that nearly all the members are non-racers. Back in the '80's it was a strong racing club with club racing on a Thursday night in Div 1 and later Raceboards. Over the years we produced a couple of Olympic hopefuls, several National Champions and at least one World Champion. But even then only around 10% of the membership raced regularly.


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I've just taken up windsurfing. Normally if it was too windy to sail I'd not bother going to the club. But with alternatives restricted loads more people we out at HISC on boards when the breeze became too much to sail. We had 50+ windsurfers smashing up and down the flat channel, so instead of sitting ashore I bought a board at the end of November lockdown. 

4 sails in and I can do over 20 knots and get in the foot straps and harness.  Drag racing mates in the flat channel is about as much as I'll ever do. But weather wise I think it will compliment cycling and sailing. 

But, for me, dinghy racing is what makes sailing fun in a wide range of conditions. The tactics and strategy of dinghy racing just outstrips all other sports IMO and the beauty of it is you still get that adrenalin rush from the race even in tame conditions. 

The downside is the set up for a race needs to be somewhat more specific to produce that 'tension' of the race. And the time investment for a beginner to get to the stage where they fully immerse themselves in all the tactics and strategy see many drop away. I think these are the two biggest challenges dinghy sailing faces. 
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