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    Posted: 24 Oct 20 at 1:53pm
Forgive me for being thick but if that's the case I don't understand why a licence fee is paid to BKI or, now Global Sailing? It's not for the Laser name 'cos ICLA are no longer using that so what are they paying for (not suggesting that BK or Global who, presumably, paid good money for the design rights should not be getting some ongoing consideration for their work or investment)?

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

it's hard to see how one could be accused of stealing the rules for a boat you have the right to build. Sounds like ICLA are clutching at straws.

Copyright exists in any piece of writing or drawing. What it's about is neither here nor there. TLC lifted the explanatory diagrams from the ILCA rules and rather than drawing their own. That's bang to rights infringement of copyright. No doubt they also nicked some wording as well. Copyright can be a complex subject, especially when there's complexities like the requirement to use the WS template, but the basic principle of write your own words and draw your own drawings shouldn't be that difficult.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


Forgive me for being thick but if that's the case I don't understand why a licence fee is paid to BKI or, now Global Sailing?

It's all about contracts, not IP law. Historically one of the conditions to become an authorised Laser builder was that you had to sign up to a number of contracts, which included a contract to pay a small royalty to the design owner. The requirement to have that contract in place was embedded in the Laser Class rules. However if you don't want to be an authorised builder, but just build Laser shaped boats, then there's no requirement to sign any contracts, but what you build won't be an International Laser. Typically class rules for multi builder or home built classes will also have a designer's royalty embedded in some manner.



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A major problem is, this has been going on for years, posters on sailing forums and social media have quoted opinions so often they now are taken has facts, they have become 'Urban myths' no matter how many times official sources and documents are cited, they are just ignored.
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Thanks for the explanations Jim C, it all makes a little more sense now.

432zero, was it ever thus (even before the internet we had "well it says so in the paper so it must be true" and, I suppose, "the bard sang it so it.....")


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If my browsing of other online places is correct. Jim C is the nearest as you can be  to a expert on this subject . Also  normally the voice of reason . 
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'Well' That's us radical rabble rousers telt.

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https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/tlcconstitution31072020-[26600].pdf
Revised constitution.
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The Equipment committee has just voted to reject the application, and further proposes that the regulations are amended to make it clear that such applications will not be considered in future.

In brief discussion they were also very negative about a number of aspects of the application.


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They are an elected body so its only over until the next election, nothing written in stone, if TLC are in it for the long term, they will be disappointed but, will probably be more determined.
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