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    Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 4:39pm
The website does change, not so long ago it was inferred that they had passed 'equipment committee' stage and were waiting on 'World sailing' to adjudicate, it comes across differently now.
Seems very rude to accuse TLC and members of setting up to keep LPE in business.
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Originally posted by fab100

Even if Rastegar and his empire now paid over all the historical and current design dues he should have paid to Bruce Kirby over the years and any other creditors he may have shafted in his travels, I'd still not choose to buy anything from him. Far as I can tell, he has no interest in sailing, just in milking a cash-cow monopoly. Having (finally!) been called out, his rearguard action that is TheLaserClass should be strangled at birth, as far as I am concerned.

Professional football clubs have 'fit and proper person' tests for club owners. Happily, sailing is mostly not in that world, but if it was, would Rastegar pass? 

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Originally posted by 423zero

The website does change, not so long ago it was inferred that they had passed 'equipment committee' stage and were waiting on 'World sailing' to adjudicate, it comes across differently now.
Seems very rude to accuse TLC and members of setting up to keep LPE in business.

I doubt LPE (or whatever the current company is called) will be more than inconvenienced by the loss of 'official' ILCA recognition, they build several other popular classes including the Sunfish and Pico which will keep them going just fine...
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Originally posted by 423zero


Seems very rude to accuse TLC and members of setting up to keep LPE in business.

But as the original idea for TLC and the money to set up TLC came from the holding companies behind LPE , it’s not a difficult conclusion to come to  Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 20 at 9:05am
Originally posted by Grumpycat

Originally posted by 423zero


Seems very rude to accuse TLC and members of setting up to keep LPE in business.

But as the original idea for TLC and the money to set up TLC came from the holding companies behind LPE , it’s not a difficult conclusion to come to  Wink
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Laughable that anyone considers the TLC a legitimate organisation when they have stolen copy writed documents from ILCA
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Posts: 590 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 20 at 10:34am
  Rugby League and Rugby Union model ?   Both could prosper and even benefit from the others existence with a bit of imagination rather than instinctive rancour.  Not sure the 'strategists (!)' on either side want to do much more than 'win' though... even if that means precipitating, accelerating and presiding over a short or longer term decline.   At some point Olympic 'status' could easily disappear either because sailing is 'out' of the circus or because if it survives it wants something 'different', 'better or whatever.   

Not sure anyone in their right minds would want any member of such a dysfunctional  family living next door ! .... or recommend their  products or companies to others.  Apparently too obsessed with their own issues to deal with the real world outside of their own self-built  bubble....  Too much weeping from all involved about their largely self-inflicted wounds .. and why they are  completely, absolutely and always were  in the ‘right’.  Do just  try and 'move on' there .... Confused
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Posts: 789 		Post Options Post Options   Quote tink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 20 at 11:21am
What happening now and what happens with multiple class Associations about sail number allocation? 
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Originally posted by By The Lee

Laughable that anyone considers the TLC a legitimate organisation when they have stolen copy writed documents from ILCA
I'm not sure which document you are referring to but I'm guessing you mean the 'Laser Class Rules' which, 'cos the Laser/ILCA is an international class, are presumably, the property of World Sailing?
WRT LPE's right's to the boat formerly known as "the Weekender" either ILCA or World Sailing own the exclusive worldwide rights to the 'construction manual' or a licence to same, in which case they could prevent LPE from building 'Lasers', or LPE have a legitimate right to build lasers and, thus, a legitimate right to use the 'construction manual'. Since ILCA or WS have not sent a 'cease and desist' letter to LPE it's probably safe to assume that LPE have a legitimate right to build Lasers.


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Originally posted by A2Z

Originally posted by Grumpycat

Originally posted by 423zero


Seems very rude to accuse TLC and members of setting up to keep LPE in business.

But as the original idea for TLC and the money to set up TLC came from the holding companies behind LPE , it’s not a difficult conclusion to come to  Wink
Source?

Err the owner of LPE has been threatening the ILCA with setting up its own class association since it was deselected as a builder because of not allowing factory visits, as confirmed by members of the ILCA committee in various places . The evidence is out there,  you just have to look further than asking the 10 people that post on here.
If you want some hearsay evidence, when I was talking the the guys on the LPE stand at the dinghy show this year, when I asked why their boats didn’t have the proper WS/ILCA plaques, they said not to worry as they were going to set up their own class later in the year  LOL
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