Room for an obstruction

   Yes it very interesting, thank you for your time with it. 
Laser did say they tacked asap after hail... 
Solo did not slam in a tack.. solo waited for response. and heard not so tack..  no would where the impact on the boat now become relevant? as this i do not know..

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Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Room for an obstruction Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 1:42pm
	Yes it very interesting, thank you for your time with it. Laser did say they tacked asap after hail... Solo did not slam in a tack.. solo waited for response. and heard not so tack.. no would where the impact on the boat now become relevant? as this i do not know..

Brass Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brass Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 1:33pm
	As so often happens as the details come out it gets messier. Never mind, we can sort it out. Did the Laser tack as soon as possible after the hail? If so she has complied with her rule 20.2(c) obligation, without needing to say a word. Leaving aside the 'room and opportunity' gibberish is Laser saying "I tacked as soon as I reasonably could, but Solo slammed into her tack without giving me enough time to respond"?

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 12:50pm
	just to be clear.. Two boats a solo and laser sailing up to a windward mark. There is an obstruction in the way in this case a pontoon. Solo calls for room to tack.. Here's no reply so tacks and then there is a collision (no damage or injury) on the back corner of the laser who is tacking. Laser is saying. Solo did not give room and opertunity - solo. Said I called waited no reply and needed to tack I said that there has to be some atcipation as both boats know there pontoon is there.

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 12:48pm
	Sorry, missed that part.. Solo Hailed... no reply from laser... tacked.. laser tacked collision... I dont see any entitlement to room? other than laser has to reply and then act... be that sail on or tack? Edited by Nacnud_smada - 24 Sep 20 at 12:49pm

davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 12:15pm
	Similar situation the other day ... two boats sailing to windward on starboard with a couple of boat lengths separation, leeward calls "room" as a precursor to tacking then completes tack onto port at which point starboard tack boat calls him back onto port. If the windward boat had responded by saying "you tack" does the windward boat give away the right to call the leeward boat back onto starboard? How close does a hailed boat have to be to be obligated to respond? Does a boat that does not need to respond have to either hail or manoeuvre even if the hail is opportunistic and unnecessary?
	Happily living in the past

Brass Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brass Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 12:11pm
	So Solo WAS entitled to hail, hailed, gave the Laser time to respond: Solo complied with rule 20. Laser did not respond by either tacking or hailing 'you tack': Laser broke rule 20.2(c). OP did not mention Laser tacking, so lets assume that Laser did not tack, remained on Starboard. There was contact either just before or just after the Solo reached her close hauled course on Port: Solo broke either rule 13 or rule 10. Was the Laser entitled to room? if so under what rule? Was the Solo entitled to room? if so under what rule?

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 11:39am
	So two boat on same tack Rules 11, In play.. not broke Rules 20.. Kicks in.. 20.1 there was a hail. not broke 20.2 - was there a response... nothing heard.. you tack... or tacking.... Broke - laser wrong. collision happened while tacking... so rule 13.. had so Solo completed tack at point of collision? (unsure) if not then solo wrong. if yes, Was laser tacking... if yes. laser in wrong as did not keep clear? it both had complete tack.. who was to leeward then rule 11 back into play.... What do you think?

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 10:48am
	Dunno yet. Need to do what you suggest.. When I'm at a computer 😂😂🖥️🖥️💻

Brass Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brass Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 10:48am
	So Which boats broke what rules?

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 10:40am
	Ahhh englighting Thank you