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    Posted: 24 Sep 20 at 10:34am
Originally posted by Nacnud_smada

OK, so when tacking for an onstruction the whole tacking rule still applies? But room and opportunity does not..
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Nothing 'switches off' the Part 2 Section A Right of Way rules (rules 10 to 13).

The closest you can get is that a boat that fails to keep clear may be exonerated if she is sailing within that room or mark-room to which she is entitled (rule 21), or is compelled to not keep clear by another boat breaking a rule (rule 64.1(a)).

So a good place to start in solving a rules problem, is to identify who has right of way, and whether a right of way rule has been broken.

Then you can look at whether other rules have been broken.

Then consider exoneration.

And not one of the rules mentions 'room and opportunity'.
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Originally posted by PeterG


Originally posted by Brass

OK, so if both boats started out close hauled on starboard, then the Solo is going to be required to keep clear from the time she passes head to wind until and after the point of contact.

What about 20.2(c)? Surely the hailed boat (Laser) has to respond? The implication above is that time was given and no response was forthcoming.


That's right.

So which boats broke what rules?

Originally posted by PeterG

Was there room for the Solo to tack and keep clear?





This is partly why the room and opportunity popped up..
What if there wasn't?
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A hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as
possible, or by immediately replying ‘You tack’ and then
giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her.

Does this part not get rid of the While tacking rule?
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Originally posted by PeterG


Originally posted by Brass

OK, so if both boats started out close hauled on starboard, then the Solo is going to be required to keep clear from the time she passes head to wind until and after the point of contact.

What about 20.2(c)? Surely the hailed boat (Laser) has to respond? The implication above is that time was given and no response was forthcoming.


That's right.

So which boats broke what rules?

Originally posted by PeterG

Was there room for the Solo to tack and keep clear?


What if there wasn't?
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Originally posted by Brass

OK, so if both boats started out close hauled on starboard, then the Solo is going to be required to keep clear from the time she passes head to wind until and after the point of contact.


OK, so when tacking for an onstruction the whole tacking rule still applies? But room and opportunity does not..
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Originally posted by Brass

OK, so if both boats started out close hauled on starboard, then the Solo is going to be required to keep clear from the time she passes head to wind until and after the point of contact.

What about 20.2(c)? Surely the hailed boat (Laser) has to respond? The implication above is that time was given and no response was forthcoming. Was there room for the Solo to tack and keep clear?
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Originally posted by Brass

Originally posted by Nacnud_smada


"I can't see any 'room and opportunity' there"

Do you mean as it does not state it there. It does not need to happen... Or solo did not give?


I think you'll get the drift once you look at the rule (and links to on-line versions are in the Rules Resources post at the top of this forum).

If something doesn't appear in the relevant rule, why would anyone think they were entitled to it?

haha thanks, been trying to get my head around is since last night.. will give it a look.. many thanks again. 
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OK, so if both boats started out close hauled on starboard, then the Solo is going to be required to keep clear from the time she passes head to wind until and after the point of contact.

Edited by Brass - 24 Sep 20 at 9:53am
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Originally posted by Nacnud_smada


"I can't see any 'room and opportunity' there"

Do you mean as it does not state it there. It does not need to happen... Or solo did not give?


I think you'll get the drift once you look at the rule (and links to on-line versions are in the Rules Resources post at the top of this forum).

If something doesn't appear in the relevant rule, why would anyone think they were entitled to it?
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Sorry brass.


"I can't see any 'room and opportunity' there"

Do you mean as it does not state it there. It does not need to happen... Or solo did not give?
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