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Neptune 
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Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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 Topic: Aero 9Posted: 09 Sep 20 at 9:37pm |
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At our club all boats get to choose their rig, but their handicap is always based upon the fastest PY, I think that keeps people sailing longer and also stops bandits swapping up at the lower extreme
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 09 Sep 20 at 8:56pm |
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Like Raceboards, but it does increase the cost of entry to the class and remove some of the simplicity.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 09 Sep 20 at 6:04pm |
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Or you could have a single PY that reflects that an Aero which could be rigged with any of the three rigs, this could be faster, since the sailor would always be selecting the optimal rig
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 09 Sep 20 at 5:09pm |
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In a given series of races most clubs and organisers will expect the sailor to stick with one rig. A my home club if you change rigs you will have a different entry just as you would if you changed boats to a different class (which, actually, is what you are doing when you change rigs). I can't see any way of preventing somebody choosing the rig to suit the conditions on a one or two day event though but if they chop and change that should make it difficult for them to win the overall series.
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Wiclif
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Posted: 09 Sep 20 at 4:52pm |
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Or you could have the issue of the lighter sailors changing up as the wind drops, potentially spoiling a heavier sailors event.
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jeffers
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Posted: 09 Sep 20 at 4:32pm |
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The Aero sailors at my local club change from 9 down to 7 very quickly (F3 and up). By contrast the D-Zero sailors just keep going on the 1 rig in all conditions and seem to perform much better for a large range of helm weights.
Back in the dim and distant past a well known Laser masters sailor told me the 7 was the rig to have if you wanted an Aero, the 9 was just too much (in his opinion). Then there is the issue of heavier sailors changing down as the ind builds potentially spoiling a lighter sailors event.
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Peter Barton
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Posted: 08 Sep 20 at 5:54pm |
Agreed about light winds. Upwind in a blow when overpowered the large sail needs to be flat to minimise windage efficiently. Beyond a certain point there is windage, as per any boat when overpowered. However I would not cite the light weight hull as a detriment to upwind in a blow. The light low drag hull is easily driven and provided you keep the forces under control and pointing in the right direction the light hull will squirt forwards easily. As wind and waves build on an upwind I slide back about 30cm and the light bow then lifts and steers very easily over each wave.
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Paramedic
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Posted: 07 Sep 20 at 4:33pm |
I disagree on the 6m phantom rig. The hull is a perfect planing machine and with less weight onboard and a smaller (Arguably more efficient) rig it should fly offwind. The reduced sail area *and* the option for a soft carbon rig upwind would transform it for lightweights once powered up. It'll still be sticky when its light, but with less cargo load........... The 9m Laser won't work because its less efficient. Look at a radial vs a standard when both are powered up - the Radial is as quick round the course. Thats not to say btw that the hull shape is irrelevant, it clearly isnt. But the rig and weight of the package have a larger influence than many think. Merlins gave up on weight carrying hulls 20 odd years ago as they just weren't fast enough downwind. The heavies were better off sailing what was thought to be the lightweights hull and hopefully being faster upwind and three sail reaching in breeze.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 07 Sep 20 at 4:19pm |
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I think the hull shape is what makes a boat a good or otherwise weight carrier, a 61kg Phantom is a better weight carrier than a 60kg Laser, they weigh the same but nobody is going to suggest that the Phantom is a great boat for lightweights or the Laser is ideal for big lads. Even if you put a 6m rig on a Phant or a 9m rig on a Laser they still wouldn't be.
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Paramedic
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Posted: 07 Sep 20 at 3:47pm |
So, your boat weights say 50 kilos. we have a hobbit helm who also weighs 50 kilos. We also have a helm who weighs 75 kilos. He is sailing at a 25% weight disadvantage. Let's take a boat that weighs 75 kilos. and the same two helms. The heavier helm now has a 17.75% disadvantage by my (very quick, please forgive me if i'm wrong) maths. Thats one reason why the lighter a boat is the harder it is to make it carry weight. Your variable (crew) weight is a larger portion of the whole package and it can be reduced easily and legally by changing the sailor. I think its more of a problem for two person boats, but it must also apply here. Edited by Paramedic - 07 Sep 20 at 3:48pm |
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