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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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From a design perspective in displacement mode one might design a boat to float to its lines at the design displacement with the transom just kissing the water ... though something so conventional might not have limited Jo Richards ... so with such a light boat it is probably fair to say that a heavy person is going to sink the transom or will have to sit further forward, and so the boat won’t be sailing at its optimum.
I suspect that the Aero 9s strength is its ability to perform better in light winds, rather than to carry more weight. As an observer the Aero 9 can appears to be suboptimal upwind in a blow where the windage and light weight seem to work against it. Aeros seem to fly off wind regardless of rig size, I guess that the key is being able to get to the windward mark in one piece for the fun downwind!
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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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In our club the 7 and 9 success seem reasonably balanced, although somone like JimC may have done the analysis on whether the data supports that. Curiously all the 9 sailors seem better sailors and when joining in with the 7 sailors sailing a 7, completely dominate the results and rarely get split (with me being at the back of the 9 sailors) From experience, I would say that the advantage of the 9 upwind is small, but the advantage reaching or off-wind significant, so the relative competitiveness is probably down to the nature of the course. I'm about 88kg these days, down from 97kg when I owned a Phantom. |
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I think this is the answer actually. The aero hull is aimed at a lighter helm and struggles to carry the weight needed to utilise the larger sail.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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The Rooster 8.1 has a current PN as of 2020 so there are still a few out there. There's a guy sailing an Aero 9 and 7 at L&L, he's done ok in the Wednesday night series on the 9 but sailed the 7 on Sundays (and done ok there too). He's not a big guy though.
The Blaze Halo and Fire (11.4 and 8.8 against the Blaze rig's 10.4) don't get much use but the Blaze rig is pretty good over a fairly wide range of conditions and sailor weights so there's not much incentive.
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GarethT ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 714 |
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From the few I've seen, the 9s look really hard work above a 3
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Didn't the 'Laser' Rooster sail die, due to similar issues? Perhaps Hull optimum weight range and extra wind resistance from larger sail, negates what would appear to be a obvious step up.
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The Aero hull is too light for it to carry a large person. The weight of the sailor is too big a proportion of the whole package. Overpowering it isnt going to help.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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From what I can see it just doesn't do formatting
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Weight carrying is more a function of hull form than sail area IMO, adult sailors mostly fall in the 65-105 kg weight range but that's a large variance and a hull that works well for a 65kg lightweight is never going to work well for a 105kg big guy, and vice versa. To me the Aero looks like a lightweights boat so the big sail can't sufficiently compensate for the extra 40kg of displacement much in the same way that a Phantom is going to be an unwieldy beast for a 65kg sailor even if carrying a much smaller sail than the standard rig.
Perhaps if any of our yacht designing contributors are reading they could chip in and point out the flaws in my reasoning?
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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What does this place do to formatting?????
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