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    Posted: 28 Apr 20 at 11:01am
Sussex lad, put the whole quote, I am no friend of this government, I am from West Brom', lived behind the 'Red wall' my entire life, do you really not think they are biting there nails to the knuckle waiting to see what happens in the south, I was not talking politics, so please don't try to add to my post.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Would be interested in what agenda politicians have? Other than surviving this, should think they are bricking it, same as everyone else.

Were you being ironic?

They have their salary, pension, expenses secure for the next 5 years ... which is more than 95% of the population.

And by all accounts failed in their pre-pandemic preparations ... and allowed Cheltenham, Six Nations, Bath Half.

I am prepared to share the pain with everyone else, it is my social responsibility, but as I watch this unwind, I don't think that the politicians, civil servants or journalists will come out of this with any credit.

None of them will feel the economic pain that the population at large will have to pay.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sussex Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 20 at 11:48am
Originally posted by 423zero

Sussex lad, put the whole quote, I was not talking politics, so please don't try to add to my post.


Not talking politics? Then don't respond to my post.

Bricking it? It blocks rational thought so I hope not.

Adding to your post? I didn't.
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My experience of MPs is that except for a few concentrating on working for their voters, the £80k salary is just a starting point. Add up the advisory work, the Company Directorships and After Dinner speaking and you see why they will not be affected financially by this situation
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

My experience of MPs is that except for a few concentrating on working for their voters, the £80k salary is just a starting point. Add up the advisory work, the Company Directorships and After Dinner speaking and you see why they will not be affected financially by this situation


They should have been furloughed on at least 80% like everyone else whilst they're not performing the full gamut of their duties.

I bet Boris, bless him, didn't get put on statutory sick pay.

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Sorry, I would have replied sooner but I was trying and failing to eat a Orange full of pips, OK, in reply 'Humbug'.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 20 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by A2Z

Originally posted by Mozzy

Originally posted by Cirrus

Some speculation about the possible cause of excess deaths seemingly is an attempt to avoid the real issue.   Covid-19 is obviously dangerous, kills widely and very very obviously is the key factor here.  
Speculation about excess deaths is not an attempt to cover the real issue at all.

It's plainly obvious that huge numbers are dying from covid. No one is disputing that. And it's plainly obvious that thousands have died before their time, because we are seeing excess deaths. I'ts also pretty obvious that the NHS could have been overwhelmed if we didn't enter lock-down, and still could be if we exit it too early. 

My point is we don't have to make assumptions about the excess deaths, because the data is there. And to assume covid is behind all excess deaths and there are no other issues is a bit simplistic. There will be indirect deaths, and we need to limit these as well.  

So this isn't really a discussion about lockdown measures (aimed at reducing the spread of the virus to ensure capacity). It's more about the policy of cancelling non-essential care, and care in the community. And early discharge. Plus the fear of being treated alongside covid patients. There is a real cost to these policies, and the excess deaths due to non-covid causes is an indication that people are paying with their lives. 

Of course, I don’t think there just any argument there.  But no one is dieing because they can’t go for a sail.

My point was from the data on deaths you can already see some collateral and whilst not as high as the covid deaths, it could be very significant (1/5 or 1/4).  

In many cases this collateral could be avoidable. Hence my point about there being many spare beds which just aren't being used. 

Dogmatically sticking with the first set of rules the government came up with maybe isn't the way forward. And if we can see ways to reduce collateral then we should explore them. We're in this in the long run, and we can do better. 

Now, sailing is much further down the list. But why can't the RYA be thinking about reducing the impact on sailing simultaneously to cancer treatment clinics looking at ways they can continue? Clearly one is more important than the other, but why can't we look at both? Why just resign ourselves to it being part of the collateral damage?  

Sure, after four weeks people aren't dying from not sailing. But in 6 months people will be dying of the cumulative mental and physical tolls of lack of outdoor activity, lack of social contact, economic troubles etc. Refusing to even contemplate discussing reducing this collateral seems odd. Why do have to dogmatically stick to the initial rules? Why can't we review and identify area which could improve people health and quality of life going forward? 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bandin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 20 at 8:01am
Can anyone confirm please.. I cant be arsed to read all 29 pages..

So the original post was completely incorrect yet there are 29 pages of comments dicussing it?


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Yep , That is forum life in a nut shell. Welcome to the fun house .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ian.r.mcdonald Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 20 at 8:43am
Originally posted by Bandin


Can anyone confirm please.. I cant be arsed to read all 29 pages..
So the original post was completely incorrect yet there are 29 pages of comments dicussing it?




The two clubs that I was personally concerned about have updated their instructions to members since my initial post. That could well have happened anyway as I would agree that the subsequent discussion has been a little disjointed.




Edited by ian.r.mcdonald - 29 Apr 20 at 9:31am
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