Clubs still allowing sailing

Originally posted by Sussex Lad Originally posted by Paramedic Originally posted by Sussex Lad Some have been mentioning figures. One things for sure, the numbers being mentioned media are hopelessly inaccurate........Nobody knows who's had it who's got it and who's died of it I know we are all becoming armchair analysts, but I think we can be reasonably sure of how many people have died with COVID-19. Please explain, I may have missed your point. Many people in care homes with it were not counted, some are being included now. Many have died in the community, again not counted. Not usually a betting man but I'd bet the true figures are never known........of course we'll never know one way or the other.

you have missed the point  

1.  the weekly ONS  figures do include community deaths (including in care homes)  where  Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate 

2.  there is a difference between dying OF something and dying with Something 

to die  OF Covid-19   you;d be looking at the people who have the  Covid related  can't ventilate  syndrome  and the associated  viral  sepsis 

to  split  the Of / with  thing 

consider  type I diabetes 

 you can die 'of'  it - you get DKA  and  you die because of the  acidotic  state 

you can die with it - say you are driving along in your car  have a hypo  and  crash into a  bridge parapet  ...  if you  weren't diabetic you probably wouldn't have had the crash  - so being diabetic  contributed  to it  but you died of the massive internal injuries from piling into the concrete parapet at 70 mph 

so how does this  translate  to Covid-19 

 consider that to get a care home bed you have to be pretty frail ,  especially a nursing home bed - generally  these individuals  especially in 'general' beds rather than  Mental health / dementia beds have a life expectency  on admission of months to  a few years...   

 their physiological reserve is much diminished  i.e it  doesn't take much to tip them from their  usual day to day level to being profoundly and life threateningly ill 

Edited by NicolaJayne - 27 Apr 20 at 6:32pm

Originally posted by iGRF Originally posted by fab100 who do I wave my credit card at?] Buy a GP14, they're the next best thing to being invisible..

Originally posted by A2Z I’m not sure this is quite right. For starters everyone dies eventually, so the claim “they were going to die anyway” is perhaps better phrased as “they probably only had a few years life expectancy”. But even that isn’t true. What we know for sure is that somewhere between 50% and 80% more people are dieing than would normally be expected. It is reasonable to assume this is either directly or indirectly because of Coronavirus.

I have considered going for a sail one evening on my local pond with some night vision assistance :-0

Originally posted by Paramedic Originally posted by Sussex Lad Some have been mentioning figures. One things for sure, the numbers being mentioned media are hopelessly inaccurate........Nobody knows who's had it who's got it and who's died of it I know we are all becoming armchair analysts, but I think we can be reasonably sure of how many people have died with COVID-19. We cannot be sure how many have died of COVID-19 as has been said by many experts however distasteful it sounds the vast majority of COVID-19 mortalities are people who would have died in any case. As for who's got it, had it or is carrying it? We will never know this for certain.

I’m not sure this is quite right. For starters everyone dies eventually, so the claim “they were going to die anyway” is perhaps better phrased as “they probably only had a few years life expectancy”. But even that isn’t true. What we know for sure is that somewhere between 50% and 80% more people are dieing than would normally be expected. It is reasonable to assume this is either directly or indirectly because of Coronavirus. And it is also reasonable to assume that the majority of extra deaths are directly linked to Coronavirus rather than people not going to hospital when they have chest pains because I doubt very much the number of admissions is down that far. If the claim that those dieing only had, say, three years left anyway then we can expect to see very low mortality rates for a few years once this pandemic is over.

Speaking personally, my wife was diagnosed with cancer 18 months ago and has been unable to work until the start of this year. She is now, as far as we know, “better” and could expect another 40 years life, except she has been declared one of the highly vulnerable group due to her ongoing medication. To me, whinging about being unable to sail shows a lack of character. She has gone through chemo, radiotherapy, surgery and takes countless pills a day. She has received no pay and no benefits in all that time. Now, feeling better, she is ready to return to work but has instead been told not to leave the house at all for 12 weeks and to stay 1m away from others in the same house. And yet I have not heard her complain as much as someone who has to go for a bike ride when they really wanted to sail.

Edited by A2Z - 27 Apr 20 at 3:07pm