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    Posted: 24 Apr 20 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by iGRF

More questioning of media and governmental statistic abuse

Keep drinking the Dettol GRF  LOL

Nothing in that article is new or has been hidden before - especially if you have more than 2 brain cells. There has not been any standard reporting stats mechanism from Day 1, and had you listened to todays 5pm update, you will have heard them say, or allude to (was it Jennie? - who is the voice of calm and reason) that the stats dont necessarily mean people who died OF the virus YESTERDAY. It doesnt get away from the fact that we are approaching 20k people have died - so far - with Corona related illness - based on the somewhat haphazrd reporting of deaths and onoly in hospitals. The granularity will be done post all this I suspect..  You cant even base the stats against other countries as they have different citizen demographics. Its the best we have at the moment.

I am not sure what you are trying to prove with your link in your post. Perhaps you read The Onion and believe what they say  Wink ...


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Not trying to prove anything, just like to counter the health and safety hysteria with distrust.
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Cognitive biases distorting our thinking
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My thinking is that I don't want to be responsible for spreading a pretty nasty virus, so limit my movements where I'll come in contact with people. If we all do that, it will spread more slowly. Pretty basic at its core no politics involved.

Beyond that, there appear to be more scare stories and blame games going on than there are people on the planet. I find it best not to put crappy links up to dubious sh*t.
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I think it's spot on, explains everything, the media only going for negativity, confirmation bias by supposed 'experts'.

Ignoring facts that indoors is worse than outdoors, that was proven in the WW1 outbreak, patients outside recovered better than those inside.

We've all been locked up for at least a month, it's time the bloody restrictions were relaxed, at the very least we should be able to visit friends who have also been locked up for a month. Gather at each others houses.

We should be allowed on the bloody water to exercise.

It really is outrageously stupid all this.

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Spanish flu epidemic can't really be compared to covid19, Spanish flu was a vicious killer, you could pop to the shops a healthy person and be dead by lunchtime, it could be that fast, outdoors over indoors was probably due to overcrowded living space.
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Originally posted by Mozzy

Originally posted by H2

Mozzy - you are right but also wrong in my view. You are right that the rules as written allow you to walk to HISC which I assume is your local and go sailing with your wife. You are wrong that just because you are proficient and unlikely to get into trouble that sailing should be allowed - the harbour master has to make rules that apply to the majority which means he has to stop muppets going out in a blow up paddle boat and being swept out to sea or whatever. There are plenty of people who think they are great sailors who go for a swim every time the breeze gets up.

But, people are fine taking up cycling. Wiggle / Evans are reporting massive shortages of bikes because so many people have bought new. 

I consider myself pretty competent at cycling, but I've ended up in an ambulance / A&E from that. 

I think harbour masters, coastguard and the RYA should issue guidance. Saying now is not he time to take up a new unfamiliar sport. To stay well within your comfort zones. To stay close to home in familiar waters. That mirrors what cycling organisation have been largely saying. 

My fundamental belief is that outdoor activity, despite the risks, long term will see more people avoid health care. There will be people that need rescuing afloat by the coastguard and RNLI. But there will be less people who need recusing by the health professionals in the community.

Anecdotal evidence from my own life...

Sailing my laser:
Times needed rescue: 0
Times I've had an accident that injured me: 1
Times needed medical treatment: 1 (I badly chipped a tooth when de-rigging).

Riding my bike:
Times needed rescue: 3
Times I've had an accident that injured me: 5
Times I've needed medical treatment: 1

Ergo for me, sailing is not more dangerous than cycling and the danger/emergency services argument doesn't apply.

Also, for some sailing is not really exercise (potter around not really hiking or working hard), but for me it is.

To go sailing (I live 5 minutes from the club) would not be against the rules, but I'm currently not doing it purely because of how it would look and the hassle it attract from people who misinterpret or jump to conclusions.  By the time we get to week 10 that decision may change.

I'm also not windsurfing, but that's because the kind of windsurfing I do isn't really exercise for someone who is already generally fit.  I'd having nothing against an RS-X sailor going out and pumping their way around though...
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