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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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the biggest drama will be the asymmetric vs the symmetric optional kite kit.... I also like the fact it can be supplied with an anchor. (sorry, I know... surely I should pimp the thing with more carbon for pointless weight saving.)
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Griff, have you not worked out figures are for public consumption? There are figures available if you look.
One of the main issues is that when someone goes into hospital with it, they can be in intensive care for weeks, work it out, if intensive care is full for 2 weeks, what happens to new patients? They could be any type of incident, not just coronavirus. |
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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The best place to look for stats is the Government ONS. Until end of March deaths in 2020 remained below the five year average but in April this reversed as C19 really took off. However, it is true that 90% of those that died had at least one significant underlying health issue that meant they were considered "at risk"; the average number of pre-exisiting serious ailments was in fact 2.7 per person. There is an argument, however unsociable, that those that are dying would have died soon anyway.
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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The problem with this coronavirus is that it is far more infectious than normal flu. The infection rates are exponential so although it appears that the current death rates are lower than seasonal flu that is because on the whole governments moved quickly enough to introduce social distancing and then lock-downs. It is these measures that have realatively speaking reduced the impact of the infection. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they hadn't it will have taken off in an almost unmeasurable amount and as 423zero said, ICUs would have been swamped and over-run.
I also understand iGRFs worries about the impact of the restrictions. This is why the current government should be questioned and queried at every stage. Parliament should be in session, albeit virtually so they can be held to account. It wasn't that long ago that their emergency powers were going to be unchecked for 2 years, unless of course they decided that they didn't need it to be, but who could hold them to that? That is a step to authoritarian rule, the next is stopping the press reporting anything that criticises the government - see Hungary. The authoritarians want us to blame everyone else, think we are having stuff taken away from ourselves (whether material or thought of freedoms), anything that builds the narrative that can be exploited by them to take further control. So while I agree it is hard, do not fight amongst ourselves over this, do as asked at the moment to stymy the virus but do not let yourself be persuaded that your freedoms are really under that much threat yet as they will weaponise that.
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Is there a decent roto single hander for adults yet? The Qba, and I guess the Neo, though not sailed one, seem ok for very small adults, but the Topaz is terrible and nothing like the boats you are discussing, the Fusion too small as well. What am I missing? |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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I think the fusion looks alright... but it's a bit on the small side.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Hartley have a couple of single handers, sailed the 12.5 seemed ok, nothing like a 'Laser' or other single handers, but faster and more comfortable than 'Topaz'.
I personally enjoyed sailing the 'Hartley 15', only rotomould I have sailed that could go toe to toe with 'Laser', well on our lake anyway.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I fully accept both 423 and Maxi points, and I'm not expecting a return to normal club activities anytime soon, but as I've said time and again this period is engendering a really wrong culture, it's bad enough folk are encouraged to rat on their neighbours, but it smacks of Post War East Germany and the Stasi. We shouldn't be turning on one another, there is only one source for blame and it's Chinese shaped.
However it still doesn't mean that lone wolf exercise by whatever means should be banned providing it fulfils government guidelines, wether that's an Olympic hopeful out training with their own rescue support, or a lone windsurfer fully capable of self rescue, or SUP rider. Here locally we've already had conflicting messages from the local bobby (isn't it amazing there are now bobbys on the beat when the task is simply to sort soft targets) he said to a chum of mine who carried his Sup down to the beach that it is perfectly OK for him to use it. Meanwhile all the SUP members in our club have no chance since the place is locked and barred they couldn't take their board out if they wanted to, nor can any of us freesail in a dinghy, which I accept may in certain cases be a rescue risk. Most of the above is unacceptable. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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I have found in my area a real change for the better, neighbours who you wouldn't normally see, due to work, second homes etc, now chatting over the fence, every one clapping for NHS, Sunday evening fitness club in the street and Captain Tom etc. Lot of people finding they're good at something they never knew.
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