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    Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 4:44pm
I'm sorry, but in the thirty odd years of organised inshore regatta sailing, I cannot recall a single incident where the club or organising body has had to call in external help from inshore RNLI or coastguard, our sport has an excellent record of looking after its own. Indeed I can think of a couple of instances where the RNLI inshore rescue boat flipped themselves showing off to the crowds at the odd Sea Spectacular and had to be helped by the likes of local clubs.

OK, none of this is necessarily relevant to our current circumstances, I'm really sorry to read ttc of your contracts cancelled and like many am also involved if not in a personal struggle, watching others wrestling in the watersports business as they try to get an umbrella from the bank when the sun isn't actually shining.

Up until now I've also managed over the years to bounce back from lifes slings and arrows, but when I analyse why, it is because I've always had that precious hour or so on the water with whatever cares and woes being eradicated temporarily from my mind whilst I race my cares away. This is the longest period in my life without it and I have most definitely been suffering with the glums, not quite suicidal, but glum enough for the first time ever to understand why depressed folk do it. Being under vitrual house arrest is worse in my mind than going to proper jail with its enforced routines and background logic that at least I would have had to do something wrong to be there. So yes it is definitely getting to me in an unhealthy way.

The big question in my mind is wether the cure is becoming worse than the threat, and personally I'd have to say it is. I question why it's fine to be permitted to line up in a supermarket queue, yet not be able to queue to round a mark in a boat that is at least 2 mtrs both ways. Or kite with 25 metre lines, or windsurf, or sup, I really can't and would suggest instead of chatting about it we should probably be lobbying our governing body to do something about it.

As I pointed out on a post on my fb feed recently I am really concerned that there is an element that is luxuriating in the current authoritarian nature of the state and where we are at the moment. A veritable jobsworths charter, It came as one of my longer jaunts on the mountain bike was met with tut tutting and the quip from one dullard 'there are five strains of covid19' as if I needed to know. Many of the trails are taped up to prevent vehicular dog walking access, it is nanny stateism on steroids.

Pardon the rant but it's wrong to prevent us access to the water imv.

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sticking my bike in the back of the car, driving out of the city (15 mins)

AIUI - that would not comply with UK rules would it?  Confused

My examples comply with the guidelines. You can drive to exercise provided that you spend significantly longer exercising than you do driving there.

I get that some us will have to agree to disagree, but I do wish some people would try to empathise with those of us who live in cities where any remotely green space within walking distance is actually busier than it would be under normal circumstances (Nobody seems to have noticed this yet). When this is over I think they should try living in a tower block for an indefinite period.
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People who live in multi occupancy buildings should have more leeway with regards to exercise and places to do it, I can spend my day in the garden.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

but I do wish some people would try to empathise with those of us who live in cities where any remotely green space within walking distance is actually busier than it would be under normal circumstances (Nobody seems to have noticed this yet). When this is over I think they should try living in a tower block for an indefinite period.

Absolutely agree - which highlights in spades the point about sailing being seen to be elistist and entitled when city people have struggled to even be allowed to walk in a park (until recently some city parks were closed)

iGRF - , we all feel the depression side of this situation I am sure - I know I do and I live on my own with little family or frinds to even Facetime. - so understand your perspective. 

However, your perspective on RNLI is simply wrong - check out any RNLI annual ops stats reports - easy to google - in 2017 RNLI launched 8436 times ...... (not all to do with sailing, but certainly marine activities played a major part). Thats why we should pause for a while ....


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Originally posted by ttc546

 
I get it. I do. But it is easy to quote examples to support your narrative. 

I too am surprised that cycling is allowed, but you cant expect the Gov to go thru every single sport or activity out there and say Yay or Nay to it. It just isnt gonna happen. I am sure golfers, tennis players, badminton players, paintballers, dog agility, chess players etc etc can all say the same. The line has been drawn. It isnt an unfair line - as it is pretty much across the board -  its just one you find personally difficult with. But thats life ....

I think you misunderstand.

I actually don't find it hard to accept that I can't (Or rather shouldn't) go sailing. I find some of the reasons people are quoting as to why to be full of holes. I think there is an element of jealousy and "well if I cant do x, then no-one should be able to". The only one for me that holds any water is that everyone else will want to go too - but even that limps a bit as we are all bemoaning the decline of the sport  LOL

It's not limited to sailing.


It's a very interesting social study.


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Originally posted by iGRF

I am really concerned that there is an element that is luxuriating in the current authoritarian nature of the state and where we are at the moment.

Absolutely, 100% agree quite possibly for the first time ever.
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Try listening to the BBC World service to get some perspective. Nigeria has done a cut and paste lock down, importing the idea from China and Europe. They forgot that in a hand to mouth society with no reserves and almost no effective government that people have to eat. There are food riots and more violence to come. Median age in Nigeria is 18.7. United Kingdom median age is 40. Do they need a lockdown? It's important in this time of global problems to think globally and it will help to manage our local problems
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by turnturtle

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sticking my bike in the back of the car, driving out of the city (15 mins)

AIUI - that would not comply with UK rules would it?  Confused

My examples comply with the guidelines. You can drive to exercise provided that you spend significantly longer exercising than you do driving there.

I get that some us will have to agree to disagree, but I do wish some people would try to empathise with those of us who live in cities where any remotely green space within walking distance is actually busier than it would be under normal circumstances (Nobody seems to have noticed this yet). When this is over I think they should try living in a tower block for an indefinite period.

mate - I am more than empathising from the third floor of our city centre apartment where the only times I've got out in the past 5 weeks was to the supermarket - 150m down the road.  My kids haven't been outside other to clap for solidarity from a juliet balcony - we're not quite sure what we're clapping for bow, but it kinda feels that someone will report us if we don't.

Rolling the bike out of the garage would be most welcome now - I can only dream of getting back on the water.  Obviously I'm grumbling about it, but from where I am, the UK has it pretty easy.... seems a shame to push it and lose what privileges you do have left.

I accept I might feel differently if we moved back
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Originally posted by iGRF

I'm sorry, but in the thirty odd years of organised inshore regatta sailing, I cannot recall a single incident where the club or organising body has had to call in external help from inshore RNLI or coastguard, our sport has an excellent record of looking after its own.


Well I can think of at least two. The last time was within the last 10 years in N.Ireland and resulted in a major incident being declared.

But how would you draw a line? Racing in a club event is OK, but dinghy cruising, yachting etc isn't?

What about changing facilities at clubs? Rarely designed to distance.

What about safety boats - generally accepted should be double manned. Can you 'staff' them with households every time? And if the do rescue someone they are now <2m. Probably a reasonable risk in the consequence, butan avoidable one.

How many people live within walking distance of a club.



The big question in my mind is wether the cure is becoming worse than the threat, and personally I'd have to say it is. I question why it's fine to be permitted to line up in a supermarket queue, yet not be able to queue to round a mark in a boat that is at least 2 mtrs both ways. Or kite with 25 metre lines, or windsurf, or sup, I really can't and would suggest instead of chatting about it we should probably be lobbying our governing body to do something about it.

Supermarket is because you need food to survive.

2m at a mark. So a precession race? Why

What about crewed non household boats.

I assume youve had no direct contact with the effect of the virus rather than the lockdown. I have colleagues who may not survive. Colleagues who likely got the virus treating people with the virus.. ever extra patient is an extra potential exposure for those patients.

I have patients who are stopping their potentially life saving treatment because they think it's too dangerous to continue. Some of those will die as a result.

But you carry on with your nanny state rate
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Unfortunately people still think it's flu.
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