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    Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by H2

If you could be sure that you will not need any help from anyone then it makes sense as a form of exercise. 
No one can ever be sure.

We can take extra care. The MCA, RNLI, Harbour Masters and our sailing clubs could help issue guidance in this regard. 

Based on personal history I'd expect greater risk cycling. Is expecting help from the ambulance more socially acceptable than from the coastguard? Maybe the Coastguard / RNLI could do their bit by towing a few vessels off sandbanks who's owners would otherwise be crashing in to hedges? 

As lock down continues I would expect the risks from inactivity to increase. Mental health and fitness may hold up for three weeks. But there comes a point where some time on the water is far more likely to keep us out of hospital than see us in it.

There is court of public perception though. I think the RYA are quite fearful of that. 
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Originally posted by H2

There is court of public perception though. I think the RYA are quite fearful of that. 

and rightly so. It perpetuates the myth that sailing is for people who are rich and entitled. The have-nots look on the haves and think we are c**ts and tw**ts.

1 person goes sailing and then everyone goes sailing
1 person goes golfing, and then everyone goes golfing

And before you know it, hundreds of people are travelling and doing activities because 1 person believed that they could and wouldnt cause a danger. Its not about whether you could do it safetly or not, its the snowball affect that would happen.

I know its a flippin pain not to go sailing. I have lost my contract job because of the virus and so here I am with no income (and unlikely to get any for a good 6 months), plenty of monthly expenditure, cancelled holidays and the weather is perfect to get out on the water and I have the time to do so. I have cleaned my house 100 times and all I can do is raid the fridge 20 times a day and pile on the pounds - though I do get out on my bike and also walk the dogs.

But looking at the bigger picture, putting sailing on hold for a few months, is hardly a hardship compared to what is going on  aroud us. 

Just be patient people. Sailing isnt going away, its just paused.






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Yes, it's not unreasonable to suppose that clubs will be able to operate in some way by mid or late summer and people can get back on the water.  Except of course if you have reached the arbitrary  age of 70 which could mean a sentence to "stay at home" for a year or more pending discovery of a vaccine....   What will the clubs do without us?  (Probably manage just fine but with a few more duties.)
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well just as a point of context - over here in Spain where we have the most stringent lockdown in Europe, the promise to take our kids out for a walk around the block next week turns out to be nothing but a damp squib...  they will now let them accompany us to the supermarket, drug stores and the fag shops only, 'no exercising', the lucky little b**tards.

Honestly after 5 weeks of not getting out of the apartment, plus another 4 or 5 minimum to follow of screen-time-in-perpetuum, my kids are going to have worse knees than those poor tortured souls in the Laser youth squad.

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I know not everyone agrees on this one, but I cannot see the difference between sticking my bike in the back of the car, driving out of the city (15 mins) and going cycling and driving 15 minutes to the sailing club and taking my boat out. Everyone already is going cycling. The local cycling clubs are still meeting and are still going round the lanes on a Sunday. I walked around the lake on Sunday and I can confirm that social distancing is impossible.

Re one of the posts above a young guy I sold a Laser to a few years ago went out cycling a couple of weeks ago. He ended up and I believe still is in hospital with a broken back and collapsed lung having taken a corner wrong and ending in a close encounter with a car. Not good. He is expected to recover.
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There is no justification whatsoever for sailing of any description to be considered as exercise, you actually have to train to be fit to sail.
I wouldn't even find it acceptable to ask the powers that be if it could be included, would look like money was trying to talk.
Most of emergency services are doing other duties during this crisis, Fire brigade are moving 'BODIES', Police trying to enforce lock down etc, RNLI are mostly volunteers, perhaps there main jobs are in essential professions and so on.
Think of a reason? There are plenty.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

sticking my bike in the back of the car, driving out of the city (15 mins)

AIUI - that would not comply with UK rules would it?  Confused
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Re one of the posts above a young guy I sold a Laser to a few years ago went out cycling a couple of weeks ago. He ended up and I believe still is in hospital with a broken back and collapsed lung having taken a corner wrong and ending in a close encounter with a car. Not good. He is expected to recover.

I get it. I do. But it is easy to quote examples to support your narrative. 

I too am surprised that cycling is allowed, but you cant expect the Gov to go thru every single sport or activity out there and say Yay or Nay to it. It just isnt gonna happen. I am sure golfers, tennis players, badminton players, paintballers, dog agility, chess players etc etc can all say the same. The line has been drawn. It isnt an unfair line - as it is pretty much across the board -  its just one you find personally difficult with. But thats life ....


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Originally posted by 423zero

There is no justification whatsoever for sailing of any description to be considered as exercise, you actually have to train to be fit to sail.
I wouldn't even find it acceptable to ask the powers that be if it could be included, would look like money was trying to talk.
Most of emergency services are doing other duties during this crisis, Fire brigade are moving 'BODIES', Police trying to enforce lock down etc, RNLI are mostly volunteers, perhaps there main jobs are in essential professions and so on.
Think of a reason? There are plenty.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Paramedic

sticking my bike in the back of the car, driving out of the city (15 mins)

AIUI - that would not comply with UK rules would it?  Confused

It could ,it depends  on the the circumstances. Not that I would condone it unless the person was disabled and unable to exercise from home .
There is not a blanket ban on driving to exercise, this was confirmed by the CPS and the police last Thursday. 
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