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    Posted: 30 Oct 19 at 3:32pm
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Originally posted by Old bloke

I think the problem with the Aero 9 handicap is not that it is wrong , but that the 9s perfomance and results are skewed.The 9 is ridiculously fast in light airs and confined waters, but as the wind increases others catch up.Certainly the 7 seems to go about as fast.
In my case I go from beating 400s and merlins on the water to having trouble staying in front of young guns in Radials in the windy stuff.
As a consequence, I think that most submitted results for the 9 are from small ponds, light airs or superheroes.

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Originally posted by Old bloke

I think the problem with the Aero 9 handicap is not that it is wrong , but that the 9s perfomance and results are skewed.The 9 is ridiculously fast in light airs and confined waters, but as the wind increases others catch up.Certainly the 7 seems to go about as fast.
In my case I go from beating 400s and merlins on the water to having trouble staying in front of young guns in Radials in the windy stuff.
As a consequence, I think that most submitted results for the 9 are from small ponds, light airs or superheroes.

Also skewed because many 9 sailors will change to a 7 as the wind gets up, similar to the rooster 8.1 rig vs the std Laser rig. Once the smaller rig can be planing offwind there is very little difference in terms of boat speed and the smaller sail will be faster round the track in the hands of your average club sailor due to the easier manageability of it.
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To be clear,  the 9 is signifcantly faster than the 7 in most conditions.  I sail a laser.  I will approximately the same speed as the 7's.  The 9's are always significantly faster. 

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I think the problem with the Aero 9 handicap is not that it is wrong , but that the 9s perfomance and results are skewed.The 9 is ridiculously fast in light airs and confined waters, but as the wind increases others catch up.Certainly the 7 seems to go about as fast.
In my case I go from beating 400s and merlins on the water to having trouble staying in front of young guns in Radials in the windy stuff.
As a consequence, I think that most submitted results for the 9 are from small ponds, light airs or superheroes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 19 at 9:22am
Yeah Paul - the problem is that when on starvation rations I am around 90kg and I know you will point to some chap who is 95kg and does ok in your fleet but we all know that being at the top of a boat's weight range is a duff position to be in. The D0 is a lovely boat but it has too little sail and not enough buoyancy for me - the Aero 9 addresses one of those issues even if the hull is too small but my sense is that the boat is more competitive on handicap on the 7 sail and the added PY for the 9 is not warranted so if you sail a 9 you get to sail in a smaller fleet at opens (as compared to 7s or my H2 for that matter) and you get to struggle against an unrealistic PY when at the club.
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Speaking to the Aero sailors I know they all say you need 2 rigs either 5/7 or 7/9 (personally I prefer 7 of 9 but thats something completely different....). A guy at our club had a 7 and has gone out and bought a 9.

Or you could just buy a D-Zero instead and not need a second rig of course.
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I guess its always hard to tell for sure but if I make the assumption that the people that show up at Great Lakes events, POSH, other large handicap events "tend" to be better than average sailors because it takes a certain commitment to head to Draycote, Grafham etc in the middle of Winter then I am always surprised at how the Aero's finish on the water with the 7's and 9's very close to each other accross a range of conditions.

I guess my point is that I have a sense that people are gravitating toward the 7 as default not just because its the mid sized rig but because its as competitive as the 9 in most conditions.
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Originally posted by dkr1

The Aero 9 is certainly significantly faster over the water than the 7 in the right hands except when it gets really windy.

On handicap, the 9 sailors tend to win at our club, but then they also win when they drop down to sailing 7's so its probably just they they are better. 

I think it's probably just that  Big smile
 


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The Aero 9 is certainly significantly faster over the water than the 7 in the right hands except when it gets really windy. 

On handicap, the 9 sailors tend to win at our club, but then they also win when they drop down to sailing 7's so its probably just they they are better. 
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