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    Posted: 02 Oct 19 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by mozzy

Yeah, the last three paragraphs are addressing the question I posed mid post  Big smile


Well let’s hope early selection works out better. 
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Yeah, the last three paragraphs are addressing the question I posed mid post  Big smile
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Originally posted by CT249

Having looked at that R69 decision I can't see that it was harsh at all. Abusing a bunch of volunteers - and claiming that they were involved in an abuse of power to cover up incompetence is definitely abusing their honesty and integrity - is clearly out of order.
I think the UFD was harsh. But i am biased. 

I can understand how frustrated Fynn must have been that the race team wouldn't release their tapes of the start, as they surely felt these would reveal the error and so their request for redress could be granted. I also gather they tried to re-open the redress hearing later, but that was turned down too. 

However, you shouldn't put accusations of an abuse of power on a public board, it's not the proper channel. I don't think Fynn realised it was public and he did apologise after.  

On the other hand, I don't think the race team ever did provide the tapes, so who knows, maybe Fynn's accusation is correct? 

In the end, the DNEs from the Rule 69 didn't make much difference, they were already in silver fleet. The UFD combined with a 21st is what hurt them. 

If the selection events were really Palma, Euros and then one boat gets to go to the test event and if they medal they're in. Then, well two events is a very small sample size to decide which is the better boat when over the last two years they have generally been so evenly matched. 

As has been said before, the RYA aren't in the business of discerning which medal candidate is best, but in getting a medal candidate to realise that potential. 

On the other hand, the RYA are always first to select athletes. What is the pressure to get selection done this far out? Have they seen instances where they've delayed selection in the past and it's led to otherwise medal potential teams fall flat? 

They delayed selection for the 49er last time round, which allowed Dylan and Alain to pip Pinky and Bithell to the selection with a 3rd at the 2016 worlds, despite John and Stu coming out top in most of their head to head over the 15-16 winter. Dylan and Alain missed the medal at Rio, maybe that further put the RYA off late selection? 

In 2012 again the 49er selection was the closest and last to be selected. With Pinky again loosing out alongside Peakcock to Morrison and Rhodes. Dylan and Alain had a late charge too. 

In fact, you'd have to say that of all the classes, the 49er has been the one where GB have had the deepest pool of genuine medal contenders, but have missed out for last three cycles. 

Have you not just highlighted that late 49er selection has not yielded medals in the last two cycles?
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Originally posted by CT249

Having looked at that R69 decision I can't see that it was harsh at all. Abusing a bunch of volunteers - and claiming that they were involved in an abuse of power to cover up incompetence is definitely abusing their honesty and integrity - is clearly out of order.
I think the UFD was harsh. But i am biased. 

I can understand how frustrated Fynn must have been that the race team wouldn't release their tapes of the start, as they surely felt these would reveal the error and so their request for redress could be granted. I also gather they tried to re-open the redress hearing later, but that was turned down too. 

However, you shouldn't put accusations of an abuse of power on a public board, it's not the proper channel. I don't think Fynn realised it was public and he did apologise after.  

On the other hand, I don't think the race team ever did provide the tapes, so who knows, maybe Fynn's accusation is correct? 

In the end, the DNEs from the Rule 69 didn't make much difference, they were already in silver fleet. The UFD combined with a 21st is what hurt them. 

If the selection events were really Palma, Euros and then one boat gets to go to the test event and if they medal they're in. Then, well two events is a very small sample size to decide which is the better boat when over the last two years they have generally been so evenly matched. 

As has been said before, the RYA aren't in the business of discerning which medal candidate is best, but in getting a medal candidate to realise that potential. 

On the other hand, the RYA are always first to select athletes. What is the pressure to get selection done this far out? Have they seen instances where they've delayed selection in the past and it's led to otherwise medal potential teams fall flat? 

They delayed selection for the 49er last time round, which allowed Dylan and Alain to pip Pinky and Bithell to the selection with a 3rd at the 2016 worlds, despite John and Stu coming out top in most of their head to head over the 15-16 winter. Dylan and Alain missed the medal at Rio, maybe that further put the RYA off late selection? 

In 2012 again the 49er selection was the closest and last to be selected. With Pinky again loosing out alongside Peakcock to Morrison and Rhodes. Dylan and Alain had a late charge too. 

In fact, you'd have to say that of all the classes, the 49er has been the one where GB have had the deepest pool of genuine medal contenders, but have missed out for last three cycles. 
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I have to say I'm surprised that they made the call this early on the 49er slot.
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Originally posted by mozzy

Finn - Giles Scott

470 women - Hannah Mills and Eilidh McIntyre

470 men - Luke Patience and Chris Grube

49er FX - Charlotte Dobson and Saskia Tidey

49er - Dylan Fletcher and Stuart Bithell

Laser Radial - Alison Young

RS:X Women - Emma Wilson

RS:X Men - Tom Squires

Brave, tricky call on the 49er where it seems to me that James and Fynn are on a faster-rising up- curve with a year still to go
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Originally posted by mozzy

Finn - Giles Scott

470 women - Hannah Mills and Eilidh McIntyre

470 men - Luke Patience and Chris Grube

49er FX - Charlotte Dobson and Saskia Tidey

49er - Dylan Fletcher and Stuart Bithell

Laser Radial - Alison Young

RS:X Women - Emma Wilson

RS:X Men - Tom Squires


As I predicted. Laser and Nacra TBD. 
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Finn - Giles Scott

470 women - Hannah Mills and Eilidh McIntyre

470 men - Luke Patience and Chris Grube

49er FX - Charlotte Dobson and Saskia Tidey

49er - Dylan Fletcher and Stuart Bithell

Laser Radial - Alison Young

RS:X Women - Emma Wilson

RS:X Men - Tom Squires
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Having looked at that R69 decision I can't see that it was harsh at all. Abusing a bunch of volunteers - and claiming that they were involved in an abuse of power to cover up incompetence is definitely abusing their honesty and integrity - is clearly out of order.

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Originally posted by mozzy

Yeah, not that I'm not friendly with Dylan and Stu. Dylan I still keep in touch with now and then (as I knicked his 49er footage to do a gybe footwork video). Was on squad with dylan for two years and it would be nice to see him pick up a medal. Stu i've met in 200 sailing and is really nice. 

But yeah, I'd be lying if I didn't say I know James well from HISC. 

James and Fynn got UFD at palma. One of those situations where lots were probably were over and they no doubt felt hard done by. The information about the rule 69 is all on the event website. I think it was harsh. 

Most of all I'd like to see a good competition between two top boats. As a fan I'd like to see that go on and best boat win a spot at the Olympics. I'd agree, dylan and stu probably just shade it currently (they had a great euros), but it's very tight, and to use an event which James and Fynn aren't invited to as the clincher seems a poor conclusion to the selection trials. James and Fynn are the younger team and were improving all the time; most of all, as a fan I just feel short changed by what is one of the most intriguing narratives leading up to the Olympics.  

I mean, they have their worlds in just a couple of months later where both could line up against the best in the world. 

I guess at some point they have to back one horse and invest in it ... I thought I read the selected sailors would be announced today...
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