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    Posted: 29 Aug 19 at 6:13pm
I got a good response last time I asked about boat options here - I ended up with a Finn which was fun to sail though I struggled with the weight ashore. Sadly that has now gone but I'm looking ahead to a new style of sailing next year. 

I'm looking for a boat to teach the grandchildren 12, 10, 8, 6) to sail but I want to be able to handle it on my own while they are at school. To get them keen it shouldn't be too challenging but quick enough to engage their interest. I reckon that means a PN in the range 1000 - 1120.  It needs a single trapeze and a spinnaker to make it fun for them but I must have somewhere to sit for my old knees. Once they are in their teens they should be able to take it out without adults.

I'm not too well versed with the modern stuff like RS but, as long as it's not a shallow dish that requires kneeling in light airs, I could be persuaded. Of the classic designs, a 420 might fit the bill. 505 or Fireball would be fun but I don't want to scare them off.

I used to have a classic 14 (symmetric spi, single trapeze) which would fit the bill but they are hen's teeth these days.

I quite like the look of a Laser 2. I know the class is moribund but it meets the criteria and they're cheap as chips.

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Edited by snowleopard - 29 Aug 19 at 7:05pm
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420 is a great dinghy, very forgiving and easily managed ashore with all the toys to learn trapezing, spinnaker. loads of them around at whatever price you want to pay & plenty of people with spares.
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a 2000 whilst a bit heavy does have a trapeze option and is a very suitable boat to teach in. Also if its honking they go very well and push lots of water so feel really fast.
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Just to clarify -  2000, Laser 2000 and RS 2000 are the same boat? Or have I read the searches wrong?
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Laser dropped the 2000 and now RS build them and its just called the 2000. the RS200 completely different boat with no trapeze option. I am told the Trapeze is just for fun but I am sure someone has a PY number if you wanted to race like that.
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Originally posted by snowleopard

Just to clarify -  2000, Laser 2000 and RS 2000 are the same boat? Or have I read the searches wrong?


They are the same boat. I dont think RS call it the RS2000 though just the 2000.

If you fit the trap option make sure you add lowers, the mast is very flexible!
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All but the 12 year old are a bit small to trapeze as yet.
The 2k is a great stable sail in all weather platform. I would recommend one for the ages of your grand kids.
The two most popular trapeze boats with the 12 to 14 age group at our club are the 3000, which is similar but better sorted than a laser 2, but with an asymmetric. Or the much underrated RS500. After that they like the 420, but smaller ones struggle with the higher deck to get trapezing to start.

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The laser 2 is a good boat, although the 3000 looks simpler with the asymmetric.
The 2000 is a bit heavy, although the jib is furlable if it is windy. When it is windy they go quickly from what I have heard, but I don't sail them much.
Nothing to say about the others.
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Almost all of the 21st century dinghies have a shallow-dish style hull which means that unless you have enough wind for hiking/trapezing, you are stuck with having to squat/kneel in the middle. That is really too much for my 140+ year old knees! The Laser 1 was great from that POV (in the days when I could get under the boom while tacking). That's one of the big virtues of the 420. Boats like the Enterprise and even my International 14 were reasonable for sitting though I hated bobbing up and down between the side thwarts and side deck/gunwale in variable conditions.

I'd prefer an asymmetric for ease of setting/furling and reaching power but I'll live with a conventional type.
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