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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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I reckon £3k is a plenty big enough budget for a reasonable Lark. Working backwards, the latest boats (Ovi / Rondar) have a different deck mould from earlier boats and while a thwart is still present, the 'side seats' are no more. This means they come up dry(er) after a capsize, but the aft tank means no transom flaps.
Parkers were the builder until about 1998(?) and a well looked after late example should be fine. Yes, the ally centreboard is a hydrodynamic disaster area, but they're all the same, so no worries there. Yes, they can bend, but I suspect it wouldn't go back in the case if it were - so check but it shouldn't be a problem. Yes, the Parker boats can scoop water in heavy roll-tacking - stay forward. If looking a at a Parker boat, make sure it has the lengthwise stringers in the floor. They can flex too much without. I had 2332 for 5 years from 2000. Built by Parkers in '92 it was a good quality boat, well built & I don't recall breaking anything. Certainly not the mast or the centre plate. Before Parker the builder was Baker and these, in my view, are to be avoided. They will all be well over 30 years old by now and the build quality was reported to be patchy.
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andymck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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Your issue is not the stability of the boat. Post knee replacement, knee bend is the issue. Most will get to about 100 degrees but more is unlikely. She may only get to 90. This leaves getting under booms an issue. Even roomy boats such as ents can be a problem. Though one guy I know did his own manipulation and got to 120 after his first tack in an ent. He had been at 90 before.
Personally I always though larks were pretty stable and very easy to gybe. They also have side tanks on the older deck shape which may help. If you are on the east coast there should be plenty to try. But get your fair lady to try before you buy. Make sure she can cope with her knee. And if she can, postpone the total knee. Andy. (Orthopaedic Surgeon) Edited by andymck - 29 Jul 19 at 12:27pm |
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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I only really sailed University team racing Larks, and if a boat can stand up to that kind of abuse they must be reasonably robust. They are more rolly than a Laser 2 but probably not much tippyer overall, certainly more crew space. They do have an aluminium centerboard and this can bend if you stand too far from the hull on a capsize, so something worth checking on a purchace. I seem to recall that some were worse than others for scooping water on agressive roll tacks, but can't remember which.
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Larks were roughly based on National 12s of the era they were designed. Not the easiest boat to gybe reliably in breeze and sea, but few boats of that era were. They're a step up in performance and design from Enterprises, GP14s, Kestrels and the like. Lots of mixed and even all female crews last time I shared an event with them.
Build quality on the early ones was questionable, again as so much of that era was, but I haven't heard about anything problematic in boats built in the last 20 years or so. Last time I was paying attention they had a competent and enthusiastic CA, who would be well worth looking out for, and can tell you far more than we can about builders. For whatever my opinion is worth its a perfectly reasonable choice. The CA can doubtless put you in touch with someone to go for a trip round the bay: that would seem like a sensible next step. |
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Scorpion has come up in discussion elsewhere. Have sailed against them at the Sheppey race a few times and they do look quite good with a versatile rig although very narrow for a hiking boat. Look like they could be quite a handful when the wind gets up. For the moment I'm trying to get info on the Lark. |
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sawman ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205 |
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Kestrel is a great sea boat, the hartley kestrels (number 1530 and on) go nicely and were reliably down to weight when built (the older boats were variable in this respect). If you want light on shore and decent speed you could also look at Scorpion, but I don't think it is very knee friendly upfront
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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From what little I know of Larks they're a bit on the tippy side so might not be best suited for a crew with knee problems. Sawman's suggestions of Miracle and Kestrel are both very good. To be honest I wouldn't waste time looking at the Wanderer unless you're the sort of person who must have an Ian Proctor designed boat. At 14 foot I'd look at the GP14 which is, surprising, a bit lighter than the Wanderer, has a bigger choice of 2nd hand boats and a good open meeting circuit. A Merlin Rocket (assuming your crews knees are up to it) might also fit the bill as they're pretty roomy at the front. Good luck with what ever you choose. |
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Tippy not a problem. Miracle mmmm a sweet boat but a bit slow for me.....also a little bit too "old school" (ducking in anticipation). We have enjoyed the Ent but not keen to get another even if it has a kite. Just been sailing for a week alongside an old Kestrel in Chichester harbour. It went like a like a rocket, a real dark horse given the handicap. Thoroughly impressed with it on the water, not so much on the beach though @120kgs hull. Edited by Sussex Lad - 28 Jul 19 at 8:10pm |
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sawman ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205 |
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dont know too much about larks, but someone told me they were a bit tippy. Miracle is reasonably comfortable for the crew - with its specific crew seats. Also have a look at the Kestrel, its bigger but pretty crew friendly, it's acceptable for the crew to perch on the thwart, whereas lots of smaller boats need to crew to be well forward. Both blessed with proper symmetric kites. edit to add: wanderer and leader might be worth a look to - very much like the Ent but designed with kite
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Sussex lad,
Just in case you didn't know, you can have a spinny on a Enterprise. Sailed and crewed in a Lark a few times, like most of the established boats it's ok, they all have good and bad points.
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