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    Posted: 09 Jul 19 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by Dougaldog

Mozzy - you got that one right - and then some! Worse still is an early afloat, then a wait out around the Committee Boat until the early afternoon, general recalls, the race abandoned when the wind shifts on the first beat, more delays while the course is relaid…. a shambolic race, then more waiting around until late in the day the call is finally made to give up trying to get a second race in. A long sail back in sh*te wind and drizzle and by the time you're back, packed away and in the bar, you really do wonder what the **** it is all about! As said before, there's no 'f in' fun!
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That is a very glass half empty view of championships ... what about the days with a lazy start whilst you are held ashore for the sea breeze to settle in at a steady 18 knots; the sun shines and the RO bangs out 3 quick races in the steady champagne conditions whilst you do battle with your mates for the chocolates ... then a thrilling reach back to the sandy beach to enjoy a few beers and a BBQ whilst you discuss the days racing ... that is what its all about; championship sailing can be awesome... 
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Its a source of amusement to me that at AGMs classes seem to vote for long days, no breaks and lots of races for next year, but next year they'll seize any opportunity to come ashore for a lunch break and the last race of the day will always have a few missing.
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Originally posted by JimC

Its a source of amusement to me that at AGMs classes seem to vote for long days, no breaks and lots of races for next year, but next year they'll seize any opportunity to come ashore for a lunch break and the last race of the day will always have a few missing.

You say that but at the D-Zero Nats we had a pretty much full compliment right to the last race even though we sat around for an hour in the harbour waiting on the wind. Even those who then had a shocker stayed out.

Next year the only tweak we are going to make is to go 3,3,2 to enable an early get away on the Sunday as that was preferred (2 didnt sail the last day at all, only 2 went in after the first race on the last day).

For me, with a family, a long weekend works much better than a week long event. I can get a pass for a long weekend. Perhaps when the family is a bit older I will get to some of the regatta weeks.
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Norfolk Week again this year for the 4th time. Late to the party as it is 70 years old, but it has a fleet start for N12s and any other fleet that turns up in numbers, alongside handicap racing. Ok getting up at 0500 to race is an odd holiday, but one race per day (outside of weekends) means you get the rest of the day to actually be on holiday with friends in a cracking part of the country.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by JimC

Its a source of amusement to me that at AGMs classes seem to vote for long days, no breaks and lots of races for next year, but next year they'll seize any opportunity to come ashore for a lunch break and the last race of the day will always have a few missing.

You say that but at the D-Zero Nats we had a pretty much full compliment right to the last race even though we sat around for an hour in the harbour waiting on the wind. Even those who then had a shocker stayed out.

Next year the only tweak we are going to make is to go 3,3,2 to enable an early get away on the Sunday as that was preferred (2 didnt sail the last day at all, only 2 went in after the first race on the last day).

For me, with a family, a long weekend works much better than a week long event. I can get a pass for a long weekend. Perhaps when the family is a bit older I will get to some of the regatta weeks.


Bit different for a three day event though. Naturally you'll want to cram a bit more in, to mitigate against losing a day and just to get enough races worthy of a championship. 
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why do championships have to have the same daily format at all?

example....

day 1: 1 long race of up to 2 hours to get everyone back into it, have as many generals as you like etc
day 2: 2/3 b2b races of 1 hour
day 3 3/4 races of 30-40 mins
day 4: 5/6 races of no more than 30 mins
day 5: 1/2 races of 45 mins to get everyone home

all times are for expected times for the last place finisher.

imo only way to decide a champion is to test them across as many formats as possible.
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How do you level the scoring though? 
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Originally posted by mozzy

How do you level the scoring though? 

Why do you need to just used the std WS low point system.

IMO it would make little difference in the longer formats races, the good guys will always find a way through. The shorter races give the mere mortals a chance though.
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Fleet racing? You don't need to, why should the guys who are better in long races gain extra points for winning one?
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Think the reason I like the British moth nationals so much is because it’s like across between a nationals and a regatta week.
Starts on a Wednesday ( most of us get there on a Tuesday for more drinking/chatting time lol )and finish’s on Saturday.
Two races on Wednesday, first one being a practice race.
Three races on Thursday 
Two races on Friday
One race on Saturday so people can pack up early to get home.

This format gives plenty of time for the social side with the added advantage of being able to slot in extra races in the last two days if we lose races to the weather. 
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