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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Agreed sargesail what’s the point in onanistic sailing pursuits I don’t think I could take the self loathing after sailing as well.
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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I’m much less concerned about this than I am a about the group across the sailing media and sailing-Tech industries pushing dynamic handicaps (substitute machine arbitrariness for human) and fixed course racing (so you can do it alone). That’s like solitary sexual activity. Can’t afford to lose the collective, social aspects of the sport.
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NickM99 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 26 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 145 |
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IMHO, put simply there are factors that will limit the growth of foiling:
- Geography/accessibility - a majority of sailing clubs are based on waters that are too small the allow them. How far is a wannabe foiler who does not live near open water going to drive to find a suitable venue often enough to build his/her skills? - Sailing demographic - a lot of us are too old/unfit to master foiling (other than in something like a UFO maybe,) but are still up to sailing older "fast" dinghies like the Contender/Fireball. - Cost/fragility of kit - in the future: culture - as the RYA webinars have said the younger generation is looking for accessible "experiences." The underlying suggestion is that they may not have the depth of commitment that would be required to master foiling and accept all the costs (time/money) of sticking with it. But promoting foiling is no bad thing. It is spectacular and appeals visually even to the non sailor. The obvious analogy is motoring where magazines and TV shows test supercars we are never going to drive and motor cycling enthusiasts pile into watch superbike MotoGPs |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Sounds good!
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Great tale, Rupert, and that lad shows exactly the sort of open-minded attitude that can only enrich the sport and the sailor. This is such a beautiful sport, whether you're on a foiler or a 420, that it's unbelievable that people would put any aspect of it down.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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On a small pond the challenge becomes more tactical as there isn't room to get a fast boat wound up to speed much of the time. I enjoy it (even in an unsuitable boat like the Blaze) but it is an entirely different game to open water racing.
When I was windsurfing seriously (from 1982 until 2008) the club I was a member of for almost all of the time had several National and Regional Champions, an Olympic hopeful or two and a Raceboard World Champion (and at least a couple of windsurfers who went on to win Kiting honours) but I was always being told "We are not a racing club". Only around 10% of the members raced and this was on a small reservoir in the Pennines not a wavesailing location. Going fast was definitely a big attraction.
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bdu98252 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 30 |
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In terms of foiling I will probably look to get into a WAZSP assuming the new foil improves the boat and the international events are still appealing. However given I sail at Bassenthwaite I could only consider this as a second boat with a conventional boat such as a Solo what I would mainly sail. Foiling is not the future for most venues in the UK and requires a high skill level to get any enjoyment out of.
Things like fireballs and 505's were popular because they were fast and exciting but also inherently sailable boats on the open sea. Fast is fun and if my home club was still Largs SC then I would still have a Musto but sailing this on a puddle with generally light and shifty winds is not much fun if I am being honest.
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They used to be though. Time was that Fireballs and FiveOhs regularly had 100plus championships. Its a prediction I got massively wrong. Back in the 80s a major problem for the Cherubs, which were then a single string boat with a moderate sized rig, was the number of people who'd get a boat and give up because they failed to acquire the skills. As I expect I've said before, when the 29er came out I predicted a new golden age for high performance sailing, because there were going to be all these folk growing out of the class, but with all the skills for high performance boats. Obviously that hasn't happened, and having gained the skills it's apparently been there done that, and that's it. I'm at a loss to explain it, but it's clearly the case. Edited by JimC - 05 Mar 19 at 9:34am |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Foiling is another blind alley like Formula Windsurfing was, hopefully the grass roots won't be destroyed by it like it was in windsurfing.
I take issue with only one comment Chris, that being your Bernie Ecclestone reference, IIRC didn't he run the fastest, most exclusive, most elitist, most money driven class in motorsport?
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No need to be sorry, i agree with what you're saying. As much as anyone I'd say people should choose boats that suits their sailing area and get class racing in those. The very keen can then organise themselves around regional and international fleets. Possibly there are a few in powerful positions who are over optimistic of what the possible reach of foiling boats could be. But you need a mix in all organisations and I think there's a decent amount of conservatism too.
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