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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Yep if you didn’t do turns immediately you get dnd or something like that, possibly disciplinary hearing too. Happy days! |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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But very common to hear sailors complaining about other sailors breaking propulsion rules. The only time I can recall being on the wrong end of a protest was club sailing back in the 70s. It got very acrimonious. We won, but the PC effectively told us we were lucky to get away with it. |
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Subjective and without redress? Yikes!
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Basically it’s massively subjective and judges just make their own opinions about it, often elderly judges who have never sailed dinghies in the modern age sitting in boats hundreds of yards away, adding an element of inconsistency! You could never get clarification or claim redress against poor decisions of which there were many ie say “that pump was on a wave / gust” or “that roll was to enable / facilitate steering of 3.2 degrees” etc. Just about the only unambiguous policeable one was for sculling on start lines, which is a nonsense as nobody is looking to propel themselves, just change heading at zero forward speed pre start.
It’s very rare to see of hear sailors protesting each other at club to international level on r42. “He rocked / pumped repeatedly etc at that time..” “No I didn’t” or “there was a wave/ gust” or “I steered” then you are back to how big is a wave, how can you measure it etc. |
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Thanks, but neither link works. I did read the interpretations but I still don’t see a definition of planing, or gust, so who is to say that my action didn’t initiate planing if we can’t agree what it is (or whether I was in a gust).
Edited by Peaky - 03 Mar 19 at 8:45am |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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There's plenty of help about. Here's a starter for 10...
http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/42Interpretationsforbooklet-15296.pdf (Link fixed after struggling with daft URLs with square brackets. Web search for RRS 42 examples for lots more...) 1_Rule_421.pdf Edited by JimC - 03 Mar 19 at 8:54am |
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So, back to the OP, if you see someone do a single pump how can you tell that is both a. in response to a gust and b. In an effort to get planing? Both conditions are necessary to be a legal move, but I don’t see how a jury could find you in breach if neither gust nor planing are defined.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Sheet adjustments and body movements are designed to make the most of conditions as they change, and as you say, they are (or will be if you concentrate) constant. Pumping is creating power by human means.
Much wiser minds than mine have failed to spot the difference. It can be impossible to tell even when sailing oneself whether a particular movement was making the most of conditions or creating them. Sometimes it is bleeding obvious, though! But I don't really think we should stop promoting increasing speed as wave conditions allow by not allowing limited body or mainsheet movement. Sailing is supposed to be fun, after all. |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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If sailing properly, one should be adjusting sheets to every change in wind strength and direction / steering input / waver pertubation. When does an adjustment become a "pump" or some other kinetic grey area. I like kinetics its bloody skillful, and think that those like Paul Henderson who would seek to regulate it out entirely would remove a major part of the art.
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Why shouldn’t everyone be allowed to sheet once per gust, regardless of whether you get planing? Seems sensible if no definition if planing exists, and why should only some boats be allowed to (try to) benefit?
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