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    Posted: 01 Mar 19 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by PeterG

One of the issues, at least with Moths, is that they are a development class, and developing actively, so those who are serious about being at the top of the fleet, and can afford it, are likely to change boats more frequently than many boat owners - so there being a lot 2nd hand Moths for sale may or may not indicate people giving up, rather trading up.

Though I'd certainly agree that dinghy sailing in general is a way short of being ready for foiling - or probably ever will be.

Still, considering other development classes un-proportionate, doesn’t explain the Waszp and what is the trade up of a €30k boat?
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Originally posted by jeffers

Have you seen the price for some of the foiling moths too....... eye watering!
I simply can’t imagine anybody being able to afford some of them will have time to sail it
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by PeterG

 

Though I'd certainly agree that dinghy sailing in general is a way short of being ready for foiling - or probably ever will be.

A lot of sailing clubs (especially inland) are way too small for foilers anyway. We have a notional PY limit of around 950 and no multihulls.

Fully agree with that, foilers are not suitable for the places many sail, as above expensive, quickly outdated, fragile, you need to be the same weight you were before you discovered beer, curry etc, need a certain wind to work, require you to do pay you dues with hours on the water (not quite in tune with being able to afford one). So fantastic as they are niche of a niche....... and over hyped to the detriment of our sport


I have seen (and drooled over and chatted with the owner) one of the currently for sale foilers, the asking price is eye watering. It is a work of art and certainly has a high value but worth a fraction of that value.
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Its a trend that's been growing for some time. Both the fast boats andthe slow boats have had huge drops in popularty, leaving just the middle.
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Originally posted by PeterG

 

Though I'd certainly agree that dinghy sailing in general is a way short of being ready for foiling - or probably ever will be.

A lot of sailing clubs (especially inland) are way too small for foilers anyway. We have a notional PY limit of around 950 and no multihulls.
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One of the issues, at least with Moths, is that they are a development class, and developing actively, so those who are serious about being at the top of the fleet, and can afford it, are likely to change boats more frequently than many boat owners - so there being a lot 2nd hand Moths for sale may or may not indicate people giving up, rather trading up.

Though I'd certainly agree that dinghy sailing in general is a way short of being ready for foiling - or probably ever will be.


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Have you seen the price for some of the foiling moths too....... eye watering!
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despite the hype I don’t believe that main stream dinghy sailing is quite ready for foiling. Last year I put the PY returns in order. Now I don’t expect development boats to appear highly in the returns as they are all off doing their own thing. The surprise was that in the top ten the only trapeze boat (at ten) was the fireball, performance yes but not by modern Skiff standards. I appears we just want good boat on boat racing rather than spills and thrills.

This week I keep seeing foilers for sail (moths and wazps) without looking. There are about 6 for sale which seams like a disproportionately large number.

Has the foiling hype bubble burst?
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