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Peters & Sterritt 49er Team
"Since November we have been training down in Vilamoura with the rest of the British 49er squad, testing and racing on the equipment we will be using at this years big Regatta's. We're excited to be using Trusail's telemetry system to really dive into the details of what it takes to make a 49er go fast. There is a huge amount that data can tell us and we'll be sharing some of our findings on here for those who are interested. Up next is the Miami WC with the first race on the 29th of January. Looking forward to measuring ourselves against the rest of the World!" |
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Gordon 1430 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
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I found the first time I put a camera facing aft on the boat so I could see horizon and transom bar really made me realise what I thought was flat wasn't. I now work much harder at that but bet I am still not flat 70% of the time. Sailing in waves should you be flat to the water your on or flat to the horizon as a general rule? My thought was to the water your on but thought I would check |
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I think it's a lot about training efficiency. Doing a two boat tuning run can take hundreds of iterations to have confidence in your findings. And conditions change so much it's hard to actually repeat the same tuning run twice. I don't think any amateurs do even a tenth of what is required to learn anything conclusive from this type of training (that's not say it isn't effective for other reasons).
If you're lucky you'll have a coach following with a camera and from this you can start to see differences. But this feedback comes hours after the run was done, by which time you've lost that sensation of how it felt. To see on a display, or have headphones on and have a coach tell you what the immediate impact of your changes are would speed up the whole process immensely. So basically, it's more precise feedback on what you're doing and it's more timely. Which speeds up the learning process. But, like power meters on bikes, not only does it speed up learning, but it also could enable you to learn things which you couldn't have possibly known without the sensor. A few years with good data collection and the clever people will start seeing patterns which can tell you things about the known unknowns and even find the unknown unknowns. I wouldn't like this to become part of racing, I think that should be done on feel. But i'd love to use this stuff in training. |
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My opinion is that only by measuring inputs and outputs you can a. Find the best technique b. Measure how well and consistently you apply that technique and c. Share that technique unambiguously with others. So yes, you could be faster and yes you could more quickly get 10000 useful hours of practice.
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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So do you actually think this would make you faster? Or is it a question of achieving training efficiency: getting to the 10000 hours mark earlier?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Alexa tell me when I am not flat
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I’ve often thought it would be nice to have a heated tiller extension. Could kill two birds with one stone - warm hands if you keep it flat, a rude awakening if you don’t!
I agree Mozzy. For example, how many people know how much speed they lose through a tack and how much that could be improved by optimising turn rate (tiller use), roll angle etc. It would be a great training tool for giving quantifiable feedback and improving consistency. |
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Car battery, inclinator attached to reed switch... a couple of wires up the tiller extension... you'd soon learn to sail her flat!
I love the 'steampunk' solutions though, it's very dingy sailing! I think what this does is allow you to compare real time to a boat next to you in the turning run and record data for later analysis. Plus, a big display is a must.
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Sounds like a good idea, if I had the skills. I have used a Silva inclinometer for practicing (not allowed for racing in a Solo), but I like the idea of a training device that makes a noise if outside a given range, so that I can concentrate on sail trim and sitting out. When racing I check the puddle of water by the center board case. In forty years I have been pretty hopeless at sailing upright.
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Happily living in the past
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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I use a caravan level
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