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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I was definitely 'non elite' when I raced boards but, while I had resisted pumping before it was made legal, I did pump a lot when racing. But, much as iGRF says and not continuously around the whole course. In the North West we had retained the 7.5m class or I would have stopped sooner. As it was I returned to dinghies for entirely different reasons 10 years ago.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well as one of the 'Elite' our friend accuses and I'm working on the book, 'Windsurfing, my part in its downfall' I shall tell you why pumping became legal and indeed it was my fault entirely.
However there were solid commercial reasons for it. Carlsberg insisted if we hold races, they had to start at 12 noon on the Saturday, no cancellations from lack of wind which was going on in the other classes at the time with minimum wind speeds. So permitting pumping was the only way to secure the continued sponsorship, we kept ours for a long period, most of the other classes lost theirs for that and other reasons I won't go into now. |
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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I would never have returned to dinghies in the early 90's if it had remained banned myself.... A great many of us used to race boards at our mainly (dinghy) clubs before this disaster and have never been in the slightest tempted back. Many who had never tried dinghies previously quickly followed as well. My club had over 400 board members in the heyday with 30+ racing in class each and every Sunday AM and PM - today? Boards are virtually never seen on the water and the compound is still littered with abandoned board kit ... at least old Laser hulls often get recycled to raw newbies !! Very few sports see such a decline so rapidly. The old adage 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' comes to mind. Edited by Cirrus - 10 Nov 18 at 2:15pm |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Back in Div 1 days we never cancelled due to lack of wind unless it was absolutely flat calm, (and we still cancelled after pumping in those conditions). Then came Formula One/Windsurfing and a (IIRC) 6 or 8 knot minimum. That led to my last ever National event on Ullswater when racing was cancelled in perfectly good 4-5 knot Raceboard conditions because it wasn't windy enough for the FW boys to plane........
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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igrf, I'm pretty sure there are many of us who sail who don't approve of the Finns and others pumping. To me, the point is to use the natural conditions.
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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+1. To me the worst is the ludicrous downwind rolling in the Stars at Weymouth. That seemed a very effective way of making sailing look silly.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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There were lots of reasons like that I remember taking my daughter down to Weymouth for the youth and masters nationals on raceboards and a friend of mines wife took her son down he was sailing formula, they didn't get to race until just as we were packing up to leave and then having got them on the water, they cancelled as the wind dropped back under the minimum again, you can imagine how she felt and wether they ever went again.
My daughter learned how to pump, in fact did it so well she won then got hauled off to join the RYA squad following which after just one of their events she never went again and gave up windsurfing. Ironically it was the Olympics which drove that squad system and the Olympics which killed that class we'd built with the assistance of the Carlsberg sponsorship. The fact was, it was not only a racing class but big on parties, talent contests, alternative comedy nights, all sorts of stuff used to go on thanks to the Carlsberg budget. So imagine the absolute horror of half the fleet being marched off to bed at seven or eight and confined to Orange juice, even the stalwarts stopped going so it also died as a stand alone class in the mid nineties. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Sorry was answering Sam Spoons, no I get the anti pumping sentiment, but it's different when you are actually holding onto the rig, I'd never sailed before and the first time I raced I naturally tried to urge the thing on by yanking on the rig harder as did pretty much every other person that learned to windsurf then race, only those who came from dinghies tried other stuff, like boom vangs, kickers and stuff none of which worked as it did in dinghies.
Truth is I actually believed it wasn't necessary in Dinghies, so hadn't really bothered to learn all those techniques even as recently as those first nationals I tried my hand at in poole, that was a mistake, every one of those boat except us back markers knew how to rock ooch pump off that start line, even at that Forum Open Meeting, following Dan off the line and some of the others opened my eyes further so for you lot to condemn what we do whilst you do what you all do is such bullsh*t, it's just a diffeent form of kinetics. Edited by iGRF - 10 Nov 18 at 6:30pm |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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It seems to me that the guys arguing against pumping back in the day were ex dinghy sailors like me. The guys who came into windsurfing without any dinghy background were pretty much all pro pumping. I suspect most of those would have given up racing sooner had pumping remained outlawed.
I'm also one who dosen't agree with pumping to the extent the Finns do it, what the RRS historically allows (in simple terms, a single pump to promote surfing on a given wave) seems about right to me.
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GarethT ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 714 |
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These days the formula guys include a comfy chair in their quiver, and spend their weekends watching people enjoy themselves.
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