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    Posted: 08 Nov 18 at 8:53pm
how many oppie girls did not join squads this year because they wanted to sail against the boys and by the new policy were being provided with a lower standard of competition?
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How many women are on WS council ???

I bet it's pretty much an old boys club ... a bunch of old men getting all exited over gender equality ....

8 out of 43, 4 out of 28 representing regional groups, so not too great, but probably inline with participation levels.

 

8!  About time they got their own house in order. 
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how many oppie girls did not join squads this year because they wanted to sail against the boys and by the new policy were being provided with a lower standard of competition?


At most 1. The others who did not take places were known to be transitioning. The 1 would have just made national squad under the old system. So don’t know if training in girls squad was a factor.

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Yep, women can do well in Fireballs (and Whacko, thanks for the correction on the Elliss') - we've had some great racing with a female skipper who has been national champ and 4th in the worlds. But the science and results in other sports prove that women have lower muscle mass etc compared to men, all else being equal, and therefore at top level are at disadvantage.

As to the psychological difference in men and women - well, how does one separate the effect of living in societies in which gender roles have developed over millenia and still linger even when so many, perhaps all, of the reasons for them have gone? I've asked my wife, a neuroscientist who does thing like read brainwaves for a living, about the existence of gender-related differences in brain structure and like some of her colleagues, she says there is no real evidence for such.

Yes, today we may well say that women aren't as much into sport, but it's not long ago since society said that women weren't capable of being doctors, of owning property, or of voting. Ironically, in the Victorian era a group of sailing women were actually major players in driving forward the design of the first real lightweight yachts AND got worldwide prominence as leading sportspeople. A yachtie was the first female Olympian and medallist. They proved that even in a time when women were suppressed, there were still some who were extremely competitive on the racecourse - but physical factors will always put them at a disadvantage to men in some ways.




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Originally posted by iGRF

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2 Points, Kites only became involved with WS because the powers that be refused to acknowledge kite sailing speed records, kite speed sailing competition is quite healthy and the one area that has grown certainly here in the UK.

The 2nd point, dinghy racing wouldn't be in great shape if it didn't have access to inland water and organisation. In order for kite racing to grow, access has to be granted to at the very least our big reservoir clubs and their waters. Sailing clubs should welcome kite surfing members, that's the way it would work. It's too late in the day for kiters to evolve the way dinghies did back in the day, forming themselves together in clubs to organise events.

Re the first point - is speedsailing in kites relevant to the Olympics and are there enough people doing it to justify two medals?

On the second point; I don't doubt what you say, but kiters in other countries don't seem to have the same issue and still, there are very few kitefoilers. I know down here, for example, some clubs have been very welcoming and in San Francisco I think the foilers are raced at one of the most prestigious clubs in the country, but they aren't getting strong fleets. 
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When you work out how many (few) people actually regularly participate in windsurfing fleet racing these days its amazing that its an Olympic sport.

Similarly with kite surfing.

Most competitive windsurfing outside of the Olympics bears no relation to the RSX mob. I know that, once, windsurfer fleet racing was very popular but it just isn't now. Most windsurfers have never raced at all.

Similarly with kite surfing. I've been all over the uk, and abroad, and have NEVER seen a kite race. In fact I cant remember the last time I saw an organised windsurfer race.

If we insist on including these sports why not include them along with surfing in a 'boards' category and make the competitors replicate what most of these sailors do week in week out ?

On the other hand I've come round to the idea of a mixed offshore event. I shall buy myself a Cornish Crabber and trawl the marinas of the south coast looking for ladies who would like a long weekend of 'Olympic training'.

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Yes, but most joggers and cyclists have never raced and most jumper-for-goal-post footballers have never played a competitive game. And how many people have ever pole vaulted or thrown a hammer?
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That's not the point

The point being - if you include events that people do why not make them relevant ?

If you play football - you play football - same ball, goals, rules etc. same for most sports.

If you windsurf you'd watch some slow bodged 'race' boards pumping their way around a course in the Olympics - its not relevant to most people who participate in that sport
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I don’t think that is the point of the Olympics these days. It is no longer a confederated festival of (existing, mass participation) sports. It is a game show. That’s just an observation, not a criticism.
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Originally posted by Peaky

Yes, but most joggers and cyclists have never raced and most jumper-for-goal-post footballers have never played a competitive game. And how many people have ever pole vaulted or thrown a hammer?

But it's about what they're thinking of when they do those pastime, how they view the activities. 

Football with jumper for goals will be picturing themselves scoring in a packed stadium. Joggers running a marathon. Most cyclist will picture themselves winning in mountain top or sprint finish, They aren't doing it competitively, but they will identify with the sport they see in the Olympic. 

Most kite surfing and windsurfs I know, probably relate and aspire to videos of lifestyle boarders on tropical and remote beaches pulling insane tricks. Not getting the gun in a 5 knot pump off. 

In fact, we have a load of windsurfs at HISC, but other than the round the island race none of them course race, despite the club having all the infrastructure to do so. 

Pole vault and hammer are fairly niche events. But very traditional in athletics. Most people who have been a member of an athletics club will have had a go at them... and when they did I bet they would have had in their minds eye what they see at the Olympics. 
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