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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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I'm not sure how to reply to that tbh and only hope it was some sort of twisted, ironic joke. Lets just say I don't think a huge number of short folk, gingers or others try to kill themselves because of those characteristics.....Please think carefully before you spout such verbal sewage and drive someone over the edge.[/QUOTE] (edit:) - or in a more digestible format: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7bd7jb/it-sucks-to-be-a-short-guy-511 ![]() Edited by Jack Sparrow - 07 Nov 18 at 4:00pm |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Swedish and 5cm taller and you’re 9% less likely to attempt suicide versus a 32 to 50% chance that you will attempt suicide if you’re transgender across many countries. Not really on the same scale is it? Which is why I conflation of shortness with transgender a pretty poor show. Edited by sargesail - 07 Nov 18 at 4:08pm |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Just move to Thailand.... perfect for short people and plenty of stereotype around transgender.
They even have good sailing, weren’t the OKs there not so long ago?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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So who are you? The judge and jury now? The point is, thousands of people are discriminated against for myriad reasons, yet they don't get all me me me me, over here, flag waving, nor 'offended' by jocular behaviour which is clearly not intended to be offensive. We can have an entire discussion about sexuality and wether it is or isn't a lifestyle choice to alter, change or even abstain from, but the questiont remains. Should a friendly jokey discussion get turned into something else by pseudo offense, that could be described as attention seeking minorities deliberately setting out to make what they feel to be a majority, feel bad? |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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By The Lee ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 114 |
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No wonder youth sailing is in decline, young people have too much sense than to hang around with grumpy bigots
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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From my limited experience the physical challenge of doublehanded racing will probably as great, albeit different, to sailing a hiking singlehander; As far as going to "10 mixed classes", how will it be any different to the old days when we had mixed classes and very few female sailors. The 470 favours lightweights, the Tornado seems to do OK with them as well, the Dragon and Soling would have had spots for female helms - and yet we have very, very, very few women in the Games. The simple fact is that women don't produce the same sort of power or VO2Max for their weight, therefore all else being equal they are weaker. The difference in highly trained athletes can be 10% or more. It is extremely hard to see how anyone could give away 10-12%+ power and still be competitive at the Games. If it is an "athletic challenge" simple power is a major factor and women are disadvantaged - simple as that.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Well said, Sarge, Jack and others. Those of us who are short simply do not suffer the same sort of abuse, catcalls, discrimination and danger that many trans people suffer, so the two aren't the same. If shorter people don't like being discriminated against then surely the obvious choice is to attack discrimination, rather than just throw around their own form of discrimination.
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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I fully accept the athletic challenge of short handed ocean racing, but I would put reasonable odds on there being insufficient wind on the day to sustain this, particularly as media demands may provide constraints on the timing of the event; I would have greater support for mixed keelboat short course racing, where high intensity action could be guaranteed at each turning mark.
With regard to the dinghy classes, there is plenty of precedent of mixed teams being successful in Fireballs, 470s, 505s, 14’s and there are presently several top Merlin Rocket teams either as mixed combos or all girl combos, so the mixed two person dinghy, which I guess will be the 470 (Paris games and all) is probably a change for the good and addresses your point. Perhaps the mixed philosophy could have been extended to the two person skiff classes, which would have left room to select singlehanded classes that encompassed all sexes and weight possibilities.
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Can we return to sailing?
I don’t think having all mixed or open events would serve gender equality. Apart from Cathy Foster how many women made the cut for the open 470, none I think. Women don’t have the same power to weight as men, at an average level. I think we need to follow the model of other elite sports and have gender based events. Plenty of scope for mixed events. What other sports have mixed events at the Olympics? Badminton....
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