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    Posted: 19 Sep 18 at 11:39am
Age group competitions are becoming more and more relevant in all sports.

A simple solution would be to give older age groups more discards but there is always one super vet who isn't happy with that  ... 
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Surely the key is to ensure there's a mix of methods throughout your Class calendar, as;
a) It will allow events to have their own individual character, rather that being 'more of the same at a slightly different venue'
b) members will vote with their feet and attend the events that suit them
c) variety IS the spice of life.

In my Finn I LOVE Chichester Harbour Race Week (Fed Week), with 1 race a day (not sure the 2 races on Wednesday thing worked) and plenty of time to catch up with mates etc. I also LOVE doing the RYA Rankers at WPNSA when we have 10 races over 2 days, all controlled by a sh!t-hot PRO. Awesome!

As for Nationals, I detest the 3-day Nationals format, that discourages long distance travel and risks a potential 30% (or more) loss of races due to weather - even if I do recognise that it can make it easier for some people to attend.
Bring back the 5-day Nationals I say..... 2 races a day, a wider variety of venues, it makes it worth it for long-distance travellers, gives added security for race loss and is fairer for our less physical racers (age etc).
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Kind of difficult to discriminate against vets when the entire demographic of the sport is 60+ isn't it?
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Originally posted by iGRF

Kind of difficult to discriminate against vets when the entire demographic of the sport is 60+ isn't it?
Exactly. It's vaguely amusing as a 60 year old to be remembered by some of our 80 somethings as the aggressive young Laser sailing whipper snapper I was 40 years ago. There can't be many sports where there's a demographic like sailing. Or perhaps it's mainly the clubs. 
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I favour races of around 45 mins, that suits my fitness level perfectly, and at club level that means three races on a Sunday. Shorter races increase the faff coefficient, longer spread the fleet out too much and I think the likelihood of position changes after 45 mins is low. And while I'm not a fan of back to back I can see the need where the race area is a distance from the club. Back on topic, I'm 65 and would probably not attend a 3 day event with 3 races a day but might if I could sail two days or two races a day (or be allowed say 4 discards) and still be given a result in the vets so the extra discards sounds like a workable solution. I could still choose to sail the full 9 race/ 1or 2 discard series and be up for the pots alongside the 'youngsters' . The logistics of doing that are not to difficult, everybody gets a result in the full series, the vets trophies/results are extracted and recalculated based on the extra discards.



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It’s very nice hearing all these different views on number and length of races etc.  Just to put my position into perspective.  My very first Nationals was the 1972 Enterprise Nationals at Penzance with a fleet of 128 boats.  I think that was a 6 race series with 1 race per day, so really I have grown up with that format.  I guess it is only over the last 20 years or so that 3 day Nationals have become the norm for smaller fleets.  Shoehorning a Nationals over a weekend plus using either Friday or Monday as the 3rd/4th day can mean less time away from home and maybe less expenditure.  The host Club can also find that format beneficial by sometimes finding it easier to find the volunteers to run the racing.

In my case the shorter Nationals was fine several years ago, but with birthday No72 beckoning I just find the intensity too much hassle for the expense of travelling, entry and accommodation, knowing I am just going to be an also ran.  I noticed in the Tasar results this year; a gentleman not too much younger than me had previously won the Tasar nats 3 times but this time had a very modest finishing place.  I’m afraid time catches up with us all someday; maybe at different rates, but that clock is still ticking.

We sometimes have 3 or 4 races a day, but at Club level the competition is maybe not so intense and the courses are certainly smaller.  The races usually last about 45 minutes and that is no problem for me at Club level.

As an aside; In the recent Tasar Nationals the team lying 2nd  at the start of the 3 race last day and could have won the event, broke their mast during the first race and that was that, no more racing for them and they plummeted down the results.  Bad luck I suppose as if the mast had broken in the last race then that would have been the discard and a top 3 result would have been guaranteed.

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My club has 3 hour long races, 1st race handicap, 2nd race pursuit, 3rd race handicap, our best sailor and an almost guaranteed winner is in his seventies.
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I love pursuit racing but throws up an interesting dichotomy, that the race duration is set by the slowest boat and the fastest may only be sailing for half that time. Since in many cases (mine being a notable exception) the fastest boats are sailed by the fittest sailors who could reasonably be expected to cope with the extra demands of their chosen steeds for the full duration. Maybe this is one of the reasons that pursuit racing is not more popular than it is?
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I very rarely do our pursuit race, I get annoyed by my false starts, especially when there are several classes close together.
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I like pursuits, once in a while. Whole different set of tactics to think about.
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