Club series discards

so the discard profile would look like this, or if you use sailwave its s/2+1

   Conversation cane up today on whether we should have more discards in a ten race club series?

To make the basis of the two sides simple consider that

1). More discards rewards the talented sailors that can’t make every race.

2). Less discards rewards the club members who make it out every race.

In a ten race series of races, how many races should count and what’s your thinking?

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GG NHRC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 12 Feb 17 Location: Lymington Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Post Options Post Reply Quote GG NHRC Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Club series discards Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 8:40pm
	Conversation cane up today on whether we should have more discards in a ten race club series? To make the basis of the two sides simple consider that 1). More discards rewards the talented sailors that can’t make every race. 2). Less discards rewards the club members who make it out every race. In a ten race series of races, how many races should count and what’s your thinking?

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 9:08pm
	I think it depends on the club. What number/percentage of your competitors complete 4 races, 5 races, 6 races 7 races etc? Look at past results and see how many people get how many races in. With those number in front of you I imagine you'll be left with only two or maybe three choices that aren't patently ridiculous. Note there's always an advantage in doing as many races as you can, because you can start discarding results in conditions that didn't suit you.

RS400atC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011	Post Options Post Reply Quote RS400atC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 9:31pm
	I think most people at club level sail a race for the sake of that race. On the day, the series is not very important, for a series over 5 or 10 weeks. I would suggest 4 discard out of 10 races. Few people can make every race, so that's typically 1 or 2 actual discards and 2 or 3 no-shows. Not every series needs to be the same.

ClubRacer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210	Post Options Post Reply Quote ClubRacer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 10:56pm
	We run half plus one to count for anything over 2 weekends long and a single discard for anything else over 4 races so the discard profile would look like this, or if you use sailwave its s/2+1 0,0,0,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5.... our series are typically 18~ races long and are competitive until the end

GG NHRC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 12 Feb 17 Location: Lymington Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Post Options Post Reply Quote GG NHRC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 8:26am
	Cheers there are a few interesting ideas there.

PeterG Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822	Post Options Post Reply Quote PeterG Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 8:30am
	so the discard profile would look like this, or if you use sailwave its s/2+1 0,0,0,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5.... Same as we use. I think most people in the fleet are happy with it. I've never heard complaints. Our main series is 30-32 races spread over the whole season, so you need plenty of discards, but going any higher becomes silly. We have a small group who manage half or more of the races and who race for the series, but as said earlier, there are a lot of crews who are more interested in the results on a single race basis.
	Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59

GG NHRC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 12 Feb 17 Location: Lymington Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Post Options Post Reply Quote GG NHRC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 8:40am
	Hi Peter How come your club choose to race a season long series rather than a split seasonal multi series season?

GG NHRC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 12 Feb 17 Location: Lymington Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Post Options Post Reply Quote GG NHRC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 9:28am
	I guess equal points concessions could favour the sailor who raced more often at the club.

PeterG Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822	Post Options Post Reply Quote PeterG Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 11:45am
	We have 3 split seasonal weekend series, but one big series for the weekday evenings. It seems to work, and people are generally happy with it.
	Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59

GG NHRC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 12 Feb 17 Location: Lymington Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Post Options Post Reply Quote GG NHRC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 11:56am
	We have growth fleets that are looking for class racing as a series despite starting in mixed handicap for Aeros, Merlin Tockets and possibly soon Solos too. They are trialling the merlinandaero league scoresheet this season for the Wednesday series.