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    Posted: 01 Aug 18 at 9:00am
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Originally posted by mozzy

Originally posted by turnturtle

Given double handers in general are taking a bit of hit with changes on wider social conditioning of sports participation

Not picking on you, because many have said the same,  but is it true? It's not been my impression personally. 

I guess I understand the theory behind it... more competition for time, varying working hours make arranging time to get out is harder. But doesn't that hit single handers just as much as double? 

I've done the same sort of calculation that you did, and it shows that doublehanders are a smaller proportion of racing dinghies than they were, compared to singlehanders. The same thing holds up even over much longer periods - back in the '30s to the '50s singlehanders were much rarer. Even in the '70s, doublehanders like Ents, GPs, Fireballs, 505s and Fireflys were at the top of the nationals attendance list with (IIRC) only the Laser to represent singlehanders.

It seems logical that if people are finding it harder to get afloat, it will even harder to find a time for two people to get afloat together. Overseas the three-person dinghy category has suffered less than the doublehanders. As others have noted, it seems easier for a pick-up crew to work well in a three-hander than in a doublehander.


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Easy launching down the ramp off the beach by 11am very slick beach mamagement by mounts bay
120 boats.

And as for worlds
Gp14 are canada usa Britain ireland sri lanka barbados france germany poland and quite a few other countries so recognised as am isaf worlds class

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Originally posted by Neal_g

Easy launching down the ramp off the beach by 11am very slick beach mamagement by mounts bay
120 boats.

And as for worlds
Gp14 are canada usa Britain ireland sri lanka barbados france germany poland and quite a few other countries so recognised as am isaf worlds class

The most recent class report is 2016 and is on the WS website:

http://sailing.org/tools/documents/GP142016ClassReport-[20249].pdf

Would seem there are 18 GP14s in Aus...
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Originally posted by L123456

Originally posted by Neal_g

Easy launching down the ramp off the beach by 11am very slick beach mamagement by mounts bay
120 boats.

And as for worlds
Gp14 are canada usa Britain ireland sri lanka barbados france germany poland and quite a few other countries so recognised as am isaf worlds class

The most recent class report is 2016 and is on the WS website:

http://sailing.org/tools/documents/GP142016ClassReport-[20249].pdf

Would seem there are 18 GP14s in Aus...

Good on them, if the status helps them achieve a 120 boat event then no need to knock it.

I suspect their World status is no more tenuous than some of the newer manufacturer's classes that have achieved World status!
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ISTR the GP14 got International status under Classic Class" status, which means that they don't have to reach the same distribution as the mainstream classes.
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Chris 249.

The last time I ran the stats, the two trends that one could identify as apparent from the numbers were the  shift in emphasis from the 2 person boats to single handers and what looked like a positive correlation between performance (as expressed by PY) and loss of critical mass.

Others who have run similar exercises seem to have come up with answers that look to be along the same lines. However, this was just a first cut at the details, there is a great deal more in the way of analysis that could be done (maybe 'should' be done)  but even if this did happen, this is just reading an interpretation of the numbers - there is nothing to suggest the all important 'why'.

Within the single handers there has been some substitution  growth - people moving from one boat into one of the newer classes and some shifting from two man fleets into single handers - but again, it would be a much bigger and more complex question to ask 'why' this is happening.

The bigger concern is that demographic cliff edge that is looming ever closer and looking all the more precipitous at close range. I've done my own research on this and it tied in closely with the results that Liz Rushall identified  in her work for the BMF/RYA and again - others are reading the same warning signs.

There are some wonderful bright spots in the sport that make for exciting stories - the recent 505 Worlds and the currently running Contender Europeans being two good examples. Others of note would be the Toppers at W&PNSA and the 29ers at Hayling but as yet, there is still nothing in the way of any figures showing that youth sailing activity will be a predictor of continuation  in the sport into adult life.

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