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    Posted: 29 Jul 18 at 2:01pm
Its a poor turnout due to the worlds in Carnac.

Most people will only take one week for championships and if the worlds is local that will get the support.

Going to be a big fleet in Carnac.

For international classes it is the worlds that matter ...
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Originally posted by L123456

Its a poor turnout due to the worlds in Carnac.

Most people will only take one week for championships and if the worlds is local that will get the support.

Going to be a big fleet in Carnac.

For international classes it is the worlds that matter ...

AIUI, this is the case.
The FB Nat's were supposed to be in Looe, it got shifted due to the low expected numbers. Which possibly reduced numbers further. Possibly the weather pattern took out a few last minute entries too. It's the long term that matters, not one lightly supported event.

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The low Nationals turnout was indeed due to the 'Carnac' factor: many teams had to choose one event or the other (pressure on holiday entitlement, costs, impact on family life etc) and, as UKFA predicted correctly, the majority opted for Carnac.

The event was switched from Looe SC as the association felt the club's minimum entry number stipulation would not be met.  Penzance SC stepped in with a workable offer and were, as always, excellent and hospitable hosts.  In the event the decision to relocate the championship was completely vindicated. 

It is known that one or two more entries would have been gained had the event been over four days rather than a week (allowing some teams to compete at Penzance and Carnac) but, on the other hand, it may have been a few would have been lost; we'll never know.

A 'normal' entry of 40-50 boats is expected next year for what is currently planned to be a four-day, eight-race event at Royal Torbay YC.  WPNSA will host the 2020 championship and an announcement in respect of the 2021 event is likely to be made in September.

Winder Boats converted a Fireball to asymmetric rig in the mid-1990s.  She was tested extensively in the UK by top crews and, from feedback from those who sailed her, appeared to perform well.  However, a decision was made not to seek a rule change.  Whether that was the correct decision is a moot point but what is clear is that in the intervening 20+ years Fireball has survived in numbers when many classes - both asymmetric and symmetric - have not.  Further the class is currently seeing many new entrants, greater youth participation and the association's membership  figure is presently the highest it has been for many years. 

The Penzance Nationals entry figure is regarded as an aberration for a known reason.  One Swallow doesn't make a summer -  the class is in good shape!

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Thanks Chris!

It would be remiss to start a thread titled 'Fireball Nationals' without congratulating eventual winners Ian Dobson and Richard Wagstaff.


 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote PeterG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 18 at 8:59am
Great pic, what a great place to sail! (Though I can also understand the attractions of Carnac!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 18 at 9:08am
Seems the further west you take your nationals the poorer the turn out; which is a shame as there are some great venues in the west ... but traffic these days is so bad I can see you people dont want to do the drive.

On a separate point; isn't it about time the Fireball went carbon spars?

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Would be a shame if performance was increased, this is fastest boat that can sail at my club, above picture shows how exciting they are, would miss seeing them blast across the lake.
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What would be the objective of introducing carbon?  Easier to sail? Reduced weight? Increased performance? These questions would need to be addressed before a rule change can be sensibly discussed. 

Whilst there may be arguments for allowing carbon in certain places (e.g. tiller & extn, kite pole, main boom), it is thought that a carbon stick would reduce the optimum weight. We also need to be cognizant of the other nations where Fireballs are sailed - some of whom do not have access to the new kit that is available to us in the UK. Finally, there is still a perception that carbon = expensive. While this may be true in some cases I don't believe it to be true everywhere. Final note: carbon foils would require rules changes re minimum weights of these parts.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 18 at 10:26am
A long weekend championship at a central venue with a home fleet is a near certain way to bump attendance up. In hindsight, this year maybe the Fireballs could have benefited from doing that. 

However, it is a short term  fix and if a class want to stay relevant nationally it must do its share of nationals further afield to keep the class national. I also think five-day events are worthier of ‘championship’ status and are worth preserving in the long run. 

With the focus on the worlds in carnac, perhaps this was a good time for the fireballs to ‘suck up’ a low turnout at a more distant venue? 

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At the risk of sounding like a Luddite, I'm generally against adding carbon masts to existing classes.  For me the performance gain over an ali spar does not warrant the added maintenance requirement.  Unless there was a big saving on the carbon mast I don't think it'll outweigh the faff of having to varnish it every couple of years.  I can see a FRP fireball as a great prospect for someone wanting something fun, fast & challenging which won't really deteriorate if life dictates it has to spend a season or two sat in the dinghy park without any TLC.
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