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    Posted: 27 Jul 18 at 8:04am
It sounds as if your 'course tune' (The dyneema which goes from the mast to the vang lever) is too short, or that your mast foot is too far forward meaning that the mast is raked back a long way.

Have a look at this from Norths it will help and put you in the right ballpark.
https://northsails.com/sailing/en/resources/finn-tuning-guide 
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When I took the measurements, the luff groove was straight so there was no more scope for the boom to rise. All but one of the mast wedges are on the aft side so something is a bit odd. I guess I need to look at how the mast foot is set up - it's a hefty track with adjustment screws. I can't imagine there is anything odd about the length of leech as it's a modern sail.
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The dimensions you mention confirm that the kicker is too tight

It should rise up that sort of distance from the rear deck - not the cockpit sole

If the boat is set up correctly its simple to get under the boom - as long as you are uncleating the mainsheet and letting plenty off ?

The mast straightens and lifts the sail as soon as you free the sheet



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it will just be the wind in the sail to lift it. so very light airs might be a problem.
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Originally posted by Fatboi

stand at the back of the boat and lift the boom as high as you can with the kicker fully off. You should just be able to get the boom onto your shoulder.

Right. I can still step over it in those conditions so way too tight. OTOH, once the mast is straight, what's to lift the boom further so it doesn't clout me on the way past?
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Originally posted by snowleopard

I went up to the boat this morning and measured the distance from sole to boom with kicker loose and no kicker - both the same, 81cm/32" so it's not an over-tight kicker, just a decrepit and inflexible sailor!

I'd value input from Finn sailors on whether that is a normal dimension.

The classic benchmark test is to stand at the back of the boat and lift the boom as high as you can with the kicker fully off. You should just be able to get the boom onto your shoulder. Then put the boom on the boat and pull the kicker on as hard as you can and it should be held onto the deck.

This rough setting will have enough play in to be spot on.

When it is windy, leave kicker off and snug it up before you go around the windward mark, so that the vang leaver is pointing vertically and that should be good for your bear away and as a rough setting.

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It's probably useful to have the measurement between the boom and cockpit floor on a number of boats that may be sailed by less flexible sailors. I doubt it is possible on most singlehanders to cross the boat without going down on one knee. I know it's difficult/impossible in the Blaze, as it was in the 'nova but, by kneeling, I found a Europe tolerable. The Spice is a trapeze boat and has more room under the boom. If I think on I'll measure the clearance on both, and my mates' boats too (Phantom, GP, L3k) when I get the chance.
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I went up to the boat this morning and measured the distance from sole to boom with kicker loose and no kicker - both the same, 81cm/32" so it's not an over-tight kicker, just a decrepit and inflexible sailor!

I'd value input from Finn sailors on whether that is a normal dimension.
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Originally posted by snowleopard


Originally posted by rich96

you have to kneel

My knees are 140 years old


So, a Solo after all, what about the H2 or is that over budget?
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Hi 
The Phantom is a joy to sail but once it gets very light not the kindest on your knees.
The thwart which Boon boats made is no longer available as Boon stopped trading. Although I am sure JJ or Solent boat works could make you one. The answer for you would be the JJ with the well in it and also you can perch on the edge downwind, unfortunately the only one for sale at present is £8k a lovely veneer finished job hardly used. Alternatively Solent Boat Works will chop a section of the double bottom out of an existing boat which would be cheaper.

For now stick with the Finn and sort your kicker as it sounds like you have it wrong. 
Grf why would any sensible Phantom sailor spoil a pie by filling it with Kent mad bull.
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