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    Posted: 24 Jul 18 at 9:33pm
How many times do you need to be told the Phantom is the answer? I swear to God my chums phantom is lighter than my Solution, it really is a doddle to haul up shingle beaches, I wish I was heavy enough for one.

So as to the matter of the next point on the agenda which goes something along the lines.. "Sorry GRF you were right, the Finn is a heavy old tub not fit for anything other than a museum."

Apology accepted.. enjoy your Phantom

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Originally posted by rich96

If you have struggled tacking the Finn something must have been not quite right ?

You may be right. As currently rigged, the kicker is still tight when the lever arm is fully released. I'll look into making it longer.  You can probably advise on what cord to use; at the moment the stuff is pale grey and looks like the core of a braided rope. I'd expect it to be Dyneema but not sure it looks right.
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Originally posted by iGRF

the Phantom is the answer 

One question - where do you sit in light winds?
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There are 2 ways to adjust the kicker - with the length of the rope strop that goes around the mast - these should be Dynema similar - and also the control rope itself

It should be adjusted so that the kicker lever is at vertical at almost max tension (when its most efficient)

From memory if you release the control rope and have the boom end resting on the rear deck you should just be able to touch the deck with the strop ropes if you push down on them together ? (sail not up)ISH ?

The boom end should raise up perhaps 2-3ft from the rear deck when the kicker is totally released

Re the Phantom - when its light its ok upwind - sit forward on the side deck. When its light and downwind however you have to kneel - kneepads essential



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Originally posted by snowleopard


Originally posted by iGRF

the Phantom is the answer 

One question - where do you sit in light winds?


Forward, listen to the stern noise if its' noisy move forward until it stops being noisy.

Edit as to where do you sit and or kneel, I noticed one Phantom builder, think it was Boon, fitted a thwart they must be available after market. I told my chum to get one, i think I even saw one with a traveller in it.

Maybe the Phantom class can help every time I go near them they just look at me as a pie filling, if you can catch one of them between bites maybe they can tell you..

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Originally posted by rich96

you have to kneel

My knees are 140 years old
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Hi 
The Phantom is a joy to sail but once it gets very light not the kindest on your knees.
The thwart which Boon boats made is no longer available as Boon stopped trading. Although I am sure JJ or Solent boat works could make you one. The answer for you would be the JJ with the well in it and also you can perch on the edge downwind, unfortunately the only one for sale at present is £8k a lovely veneer finished job hardly used. Alternatively Solent Boat Works will chop a section of the double bottom out of an existing boat which would be cheaper.

For now stick with the Finn and sort your kicker as it sounds like you have it wrong. 
Grf why would any sensible Phantom sailor spoil a pie by filling it with Kent mad bull.
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Originally posted by snowleopard


Originally posted by rich96

you have to kneel

My knees are 140 years old


So, a Solo after all, what about the H2 or is that over budget?
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I went up to the boat this morning and measured the distance from sole to boom with kicker loose and no kicker - both the same, 81cm/32" so it's not an over-tight kicker, just a decrepit and inflexible sailor!

I'd value input from Finn sailors on whether that is a normal dimension.
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It's probably useful to have the measurement between the boom and cockpit floor on a number of boats that may be sailed by less flexible sailors. I doubt it is possible on most singlehanders to cross the boat without going down on one knee. I know it's difficult/impossible in the Blaze, as it was in the 'nova but, by kneeling, I found a Europe tolerable. The Spice is a trapeze boat and has more room under the boom. If I think on I'll measure the clearance on both, and my mates' boats too (Phantom, GP, L3k) when I get the chance.
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