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    Posted: 21 Jul 18 at 9:25am
Originally posted by PeterG

Not everyone has a permanent mooring. I know someone with a narrow boat in London, certainly a lot cheaper than a house or flat, but she has to move it every 2 weeks to comply with temporary mooring conditions. As I understand it there are a lot of people in that situation.

You have to be a 'bona-fide' 'continuous cruiser' and move an "unspecified" distance navigating the waterways. They will assess if they think you meet the conditions when you renew your licence. The conditions are pretty strict and there was a documentary about it a while ago (if I can find it I'll post a link, it was a good, if slightly disturbing, watch). It's very difficult, almost impossible if you have schools or work to attend. The Canals and Waterways Trust seems particularly unsympathetic in the way they apply the rules and the feeling amongst the cruising community is that the Trust are trying to eradicate liveaboard's from the network. All very sad and, whilst I understand the need for revenue to maintain the waterways I find it hard to see what harm liveaboards do by spending more than the 'official' time on a small area of the network.
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BTW, rather than labelling the OP as a spammer we should thank him for kicking off an interesting discussion (even though it may actually not be relevant to his own specific circumstances)  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


I find it hard to see what harm liveaboards do by spending more than the 'official' time on a small area of the network.

If all the moorings in London were occupied by permanent residents rotating between moorings there would be no moorings for people who were actually using the canal system. If you have too many liveaboards you don't have a canal network because it becomes difficult or impossible to travel anywhere and find a place to stop.
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Yes, that makes some sense JC
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Here is that video I mentioned http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=125&v=5upAf7waaLg
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How far do you have to move ?

I don't know what the minimum distance is, but I think in practice it can be quite a long way, and unsurprisingly it's often not easy finding space in the SE near London.
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There isn't an official minimum distance and the C&WT keep moving the goalposts (they really don't seem to want liveaboards on the network but the right to live on the canals is enshrined in the waterways act). FWIW the people in the documentary were on the Kennet and Avon where it's fairly quiet, not S London.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

 
Originally posted by Rusty69

Narrowboats ain't particularly cheap, especially in London with a mooring.
But still significantly cheaper than a house, wherever you live. And liveaboards don't usually have/need a permanent mooring. 
http://www.apolloduck.com/boat.phtml?id=362389 £20k, licence/insurance/diesel, best I can find comes to around £1200-1500 p.a. and if you need a mooring that ranges from a few hundred pounds to £3k outside London. That's a little cheaper than a cheap one bed flat in Blackpool or Rhyl (very cheap areas to rent). A similar flat in London would cost upwards of £14k p.a so living on a boat is much cheaper than living in a flat or house in all but the most deprived areas. (note to self, must get a life  Embarrassed

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No need to quote figures. I actually live on a narrowboat, but not in London. I also own a house
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Fair enough, I stand by it being much cheaper than living in a house though  Thumbs Up
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It probably is if you compare buying a house in London to buying a narrowboat in London, but mooring costs pa in London are silly money for a decent sized liveaboard narrowboat. Constant cruising around London whilst possible, would prove very difficult.

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