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Poll Question: Have or do you sail on a trapeze boat
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    Posted: 26 Jun 18 at 10:41am
I dunno about wiring being easier, it probably is on a two man boat but I've done two windy races recently one in the Farr in what really were survival conditions for me and the other in similar conditions that blew up as the race progressed this in the EPS in which I was over powered to the point an Aero 7 overtook me upwind to leeward.

But of the two, three laps of triangle sausage = one lap races, I was far more knackered on the trapeze boat than I was hiking, probably down to new muscles being employed in the former, I seriously had to come home and have a lie down after the thursday night race whereas the sunday morning was a lot less traumatic yet the wind was similarly force five plus.
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You have less security when wiring so instead of locking in as you would hiking or windsurfing you are constantly making small changes to keep your balance. Especially true when helming as you have both hands occupied and can't wave your arms about or even grab the wire if it all gets a bit twitchy.
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Posts: 77 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Hengest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:07pm
I'm a year into sailing a 600, I agree with GRF, definitely not easier on the body trapezing. But the days of aching knees, arms, shoulders, well everything really. Just act as a constant reminder to what an awesome time I had.
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Have crewed a 420 when young and a Prindle 18 as a youth and then helmed  from the wire on a Boss (horrid boat) but currently have no desire to do it again, am very happy and comfortable hiking my Hadron like a demon
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You missed the option for yes - both helm and crew...
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Posts: 6499 		Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 3:46pm
Crews don't count do they?

I know you have to say how important they are and everything, but we helms all know the truth don't we?

It must be that way, you rarely ever see the crew name in results.
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Well I was out in the Javelin today,  hiking my bits off through the gusts, hauling on the 1:1 mainsheet and endlessly hoisting the huge kite and stuffing it away again.  Ache all over.  But yes the V3k hurts in a different way resulting in cramps and muscle spasms (fast twitch muscles vs heavy haulage muscles).  My one afternoon out in an MPS (followed by a beer and a fistful of nurofen) resulted in one of the best 12 hour sleeps of my life!

Meanwhile a visitation of young scouting type people at the club today; dressed in huge immobilizing life jackets and crash hats to be sailed around the lake by "gentlemen of a certain age" in heavily reefed tubs.  Bet THAT will get us some recruits to the sport!!
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Originally posted by iGRF

I dunno about wiring being easier, it probably is on a two man boat but I've done two windy races recently one in the Farr in what really were survival conditions for me and the other in similar conditions that blew up as the race progressed this in the EPS in which I was over powered to the point an Aero 7 overtook me upwind to leeward.

But of the two, three laps of triangle sausage = one lap races, I was far more knackered on the trapeze boat than I was hiking, probably down to new muscles being employed in the former, I seriously had to come home and have a lie down after the thursday night race whereas the sunday morning was a lot less traumatic yet the wind was similarly force five plus.

It's not new muscles, it's your aerobic system. Trapeze boats are AEROBIC, that's why you were knackered. On the whole, a hiking boat allows you to be less aerobic. I'm not saying they aren't aerobic, just you can get away with it not being. You can't in a Trap boat single hander. That's why Mustos etc... are hard even for reasonably sailors if they are not aerobically fit enough. And frankly, that is a large proportion of sailors (given age demographics etc), myself included. The 3.7 is less aerobic than 600's, MPS, etc but still aerobic. And it also provides the opportunity to rest without the extra energy sapping capsize a MPS etc will hand out in spades.
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Posts: 590 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 18 at 1:18pm
trapeze boats are AEROBIC, that's why you were ...... etc

Think you were possibly not working quite hard enough when 'hiking' from your comments.  Wink
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Think MPS sailors could back Jack’s theory up with heart rate monitor readouts Mike.

I know the RYA commissioned something similar with HR monitoring on 470 crews in the 1990s... crews worked aerobically harder than helms. Admitted i’ve Never seen a 470 helm really hike her balls blue a la Laser / Finn / Blaze sailors... but I ‘get’ what Jack is saying, as would most who’ve sailed both hiker and trapeze singlehanders

Edited by turnturtle - 04 Jul 18 at 1:59pm
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