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Poll Question: Have or do you sail on a trapeze boat
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10 [17.86%]
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14 [25.00%]
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    Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 3:46pm
Crews don't count do they?

I know you have to say how important they are and everything, but we helms all know the truth don't we?

It must be that way, you rarely ever see the crew name in results.
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You missed the option for yes - both helm and crew...
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Have crewed a 420 when young and a Prindle 18 as a youth and then helmed  from the wire on a Boss (horrid boat) but currently have no desire to do it again, am very happy and comfortable hiking my Hadron like a demon
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I'm a year into sailing a 600, I agree with GRF, definitely not easier on the body trapezing. But the days of aching knees, arms, shoulders, well everything really. Just act as a constant reminder to what an awesome time I had.
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You have less security when wiring so instead of locking in as you would hiking or windsurfing you are constantly making small changes to keep your balance. Especially true when helming as you have both hands occupied and can't wave your arms about or even grab the wire if it all gets a bit twitchy.
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Posts: 6499 		Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 18 at 10:41am
I dunno about wiring being easier, it probably is on a two man boat but I've done two windy races recently one in the Farr in what really were survival conditions for me and the other in similar conditions that blew up as the race progressed this in the EPS in which I was over powered to the point an Aero 7 overtook me upwind to leeward.

But of the two, three laps of triangle sausage = one lap races, I was far more knackered on the trapeze boat than I was hiking, probably down to new muscles being employed in the former, I seriously had to come home and have a lie down after the thursday night race whereas the sunday morning was a lot less traumatic yet the wind was similarly force five plus.
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I love trapezing and hiking hurts; I never understand why people are so willing to put all that hiking effort in when you could go faster for less effort by wiring.  All this "oh we don't want the complication of a trapeze" is like saying "oh we don't want the complication of reclining seats in the car" .. and as for the "I want something to sail with the kids",  kids LOVE trapezing, it looks dead cool and it feels like flying.  What yoof wouldn't rather be out on the wire dangling one hand in the water than sitting on a thwart holding a jib sheet.  Far too many families in 2000s and not enough in 29ers, 3000s and RS500s IMHO.  

Shame in a way that I moved from crewing a Javelin to helming one; keep wondering about sticking a second wire on it for fun (there is power enough)  .... but I still have my V3000 for when there's no crew, and yes, it's a rocket.  I sail it off 975 to stop me winning everything and in the right wind conditions am up with the RS400s.  It is not an ideal single hander though - too many sheets and too much power in F5 or more;  the only way to de-power on the fly is to sheet out the main, which closes the slot with the overlapping roachy jib and slows it right down, or pinch like mad, which slows it down even more.   Now, chop the jib down to 1.6sqm and fit a self tacker and it would be different, that and/or a Swift Solo style simultaneous main & jib sheeting system!!

Meanwhile back on the wire for the Osprey Nationals at Weymouth in August; THAT should be fun :-) :-)
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It didn't bother me whether a boat has a trapeze or not. The RS700 was fantastic at my home club but as I started sailing more with my daughter than I did on my own it got relegated to 2nd boat and the running costs were just too high for the limited number of sails per year.
I chose the OK because I wanted a very quick boat to rig with minimal running cost, plus I wanted a boat that is nice to sail. I was slightly tempted to go back to the 600 but thought I'd try something else.
Once my daughter is bigger I wouldn't rule out an 800 or similar.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by iGRF


...*now with my new arsenal of actual sailing skills, then I remembered it wasn't the lightest tool in the box either. Then once again the top out to sea reach delivered such exquisite joy, it didn't matter where I was in the fleet or wether there were lots of the same boat to race against.
*I think you hit the nail on the head here. (think about that for a moment)
Unfortunately, most of the answers about why people don't trapeze or what they feel about it, will be from an established norm within a sailing culture that has been starved of one of the worlds great boats, due to it never making it out of New Zealand until recently.
Put the 3.7 in a bunch of teenagers on ANY pond and they will give you a different view when they hit middle age.
For me, I won't sail at all unless it is on a trapeze boat now. I have sailed a lot of boats.


This is probably very true - we develop skills in certain ways, I think there’s an observable and sizeable skills uplift from ‘the kids’ who sailed 29ers compared to those in their 40s and 50s now with nowt but a brief dalliance with that sh*tfest Laser II for trapeze exposure.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


V3k is 54kg and epoxy, L3k 79kg and polyester. That's a 25kg/32% weight loss, the Laser 3k is a nice boat so I'd think that makes the V3000 an even nicer one  Thumbs Up (and even almost light enough for Graeme).....


One of the very few boats I've sailed that actually does plane upwind and that was the L3K with my old windsurfing chum as crew, what the V3000 would do I can only imagine, it's another lost jewel in the dinghy market, if I could have persuaded one of the daughters of darkness to risk getting her hair wet and mascara destroyed, this would have been the tool I'd have used..
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