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Poll Question: Have or do you sail on a trapeze boat
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    Posted: 08 Jun 18 at 3:27pm
That's my trouble, always has been, my teenaged brain trapped in an ageing body.
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Originally posted by iGRF



...*now with my new arsenal of actual sailing skills, then I remembered it wasn't the lightest tool in the box either. Then once again the top out to sea reach delivered such exquisite joy, it didn't matter where I was in the fleet or wether there were lots of the same boat to race against.

*I think you hit the nail on the head here. (think about that for a moment)

Unfortunately, most of the answers about why people don't trapeze or what they feel about it, will be from an established norm within a sailing culture that has been starved of one of the worlds great boats, due to it never making it out of New Zealand until recently.

Put the 3.7 in a bunch of teenagers on ANY pond and they will give you a different view when they hit middle age.

For me, I won't sail at all unless it is on a trapeze boat now. I have sailed a lot of boats.
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V3k is 54kg and epoxy, L3k 79kg and polyester. That's a 25kg/32% weight loss, the Laser 3k is a nice boat so I'd think that makes the V3000 an even nicer one  Thumbs Up (and even almost light enough for Graeme).....

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Originally posted by iGRF

You can't call RS700's or 29ers 'sensible'
Sorry, thought you meant sensible, as in sensible numbers. I.e. not one or two, but a handful that would make it a decent race. 

To be honest, I find the 29er pretty sensible (as single wire asymmetric go). It's reluctance to pitch-pole made it great even in waves. Certainly less challenging that 12 footer and cherubs. 

But yeah, neither are 'easy'.

Originally posted by iGRF

The V3000 is a lively 'sensible' boat but hasn't had a wide take up, the L3K is a good cheap entry but they're getting older and older and fewer and farer between.
Aren't these the same boat, just renamed after being dropped  by laser? 

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I strikes me for 'humans' with jobs there really aint much out there that's not antediluvian. Hornet, Osprey being two that spring to mind OK if you've done the pole switching thing.
(Laser) 4000. Not sure there is any club level fleet racing going on. But they do have a few opens. Heavy, but far more stable than most of it's type. 
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Fireball very strong class, Osprey for bigger crews also doing OK. 
No single wire assy has been produced for adults of any use so stick with the symmetrical kite boats.
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You can't call RS700's or 29ers 'sensible', Fireballs remain in the dark ages should have transitioned to Assym ages ago, too late for them now and by all counts they aint good sea boats anyway.

The 505 has priced itself out of existence, the RS500 is a dog, no point even discussing the 49er, which leaves the 800 which is also twin wire, but a nice ride.

The V3000 is a lively 'sensible' boat but hasn't had a wide take up, the L3K is a good cheap entry but they're getting older and older and fewer and farer between.

I strikes me for 'humans' with jobs there really aint much out there that's not antediluvian. Hornet, Osprey being two that spring to mind OK if you've done the pole switching thing.

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Yes have both crewed Osprey, 505, FD. 
Helmed and wired, 800 and Int14. 
At at my size I am better of helming a sitting out boat hence the Phantom.
No trapeze single hander needs 110kg.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Is there a 'sensible' class racing wire boat?

You talking about club racing or also including open meeting fleets?

HISC has Fireballs and 29ers regularly getting class starts. 700s are in the fast fleet, but often get good turnouts (a couple of weekends ago they had 10 out, but it's quite often half a dozen). 

I know fireballs used to get club based fleet racing at a few midland clubs I visited as a kid (Ogston, Draycote, Chelmarsh, Staunton Harold, Northmapton) not sure if true fleet racing still exists there or not. 

Itchenor have class racing in the 800s. I think HISC could do if we got our act together a bit more. 

Itchenor also have class racing for I14. 

Mustos at stokes, datchet, and maybe rutland? 

Including open meeting fleets there are a few more. 


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Must Skiff - class racing at Stokes Bay (sounds pretty awesome to be honest)

Are there any real contender fleets in the U.K.? It’s a travellers boat isn’t it?
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Is there a 'sensible' class racing wire boat?

I suppose the Contender is about the only act in town really if you have a crane handy to launch and recover.

Funny, I was thinking last night as once again I found myself at the back of the fleet (OCS start and didn't get told till halfway up the first beat) wether I should re visit my previous nemesis, the MPS, now with my new arsenal of actual sailing skills, then I remembered it wasn't the lightest tool in the box either. Then once again the top out to sea reach delivered such exquisite joy, it didn't matter where I was in the fleet or wether there were lots of the same boat to race against.

Edited by iGRF - 08 Jun 18 at 9:55am
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