New Olympic events.

Have a pasty and solve both issues

I can’t for the life of me see that they will have a single event sailed in two different boats, better to drop the laser for the Finn , make the radial open and bring in a proper women’s boat

Originally posted by Neptune I can’t for the life of me see that they will have a single event sailed in two different boats,

Separate races for each fleet, lowest combined points score wins
One start, lowest combined elapsed time
relay race
any number of possibilities. I saw something the other day which suggested that some much more unlikely sports than sailing have had to conjure out some kind of mixed event out of nowhere.

as grass roots of the sport, we should just tell the IOC and WS to **** off. Tennis has not been made to compromise its unique scoring system. Golf is as ever. And those things dont belong in the 5-ring nonsense anyway, given each has 4 events per year that are see as the sport’s pinnacle, with a gold medal a so what in most eyes.

Edited by fab100 - 16 May 18 at 9:48pm

I thought I'd have a go at reading the IOC material that's supposedly led to all these changes. If anyone else wants to have a go I think it all starts here.
https://www.olympic.org/olympic-agenda-2020
Frankly I'm having trouble making much sense of it.

The gender equality part seems understandable. The relevant recommendation is this:

Foster gender equality 1. The IOC to work with the International Federations to achieve 50 per cent female participation in the Olympic Games and to stimulate women’s participation and involvement in sport by creating more participation opportunities at the Olympic Games. 2. The IOC to encourage the inclusion of mixed-gender team events.

That seems straightforward enough to understand, and its fairly obvious to see how ISAF (as they are referred to in these docs!) is obeying orders.

The other part of it that's relevant though is

Move from a sport-based to an event-based programme

I've read through this a couple of times and I still don't really see what they are driving at.

The fuller text is this:

Recommendation 10 Move from a sport-based to an event-based programme 1. Regular reviews of the programme to be based on events rather than sports, with the involvement of the International Federations, and with the following restrictions to be respected:  For the Games of the Olympiad: approximately 10,500 athletes, 5,000 accredited coaches and athletes’ support personnel, and 310 events,  For the Winter Games, approximately 2,900 athletes, 2,000 accredited coaches and athletes’ support personnel, and 100 events. 2. The IOC Session to decide on the inclusion of any sport (IF) in the programme. 3. The IOC to allow the OCOGs to make a proposal for the inclusion of one or more additional events on the Olympic programme for that edition of the Olympic Games. BACKGROUND / DESCRIPTION 1. Move from a sport-based to an event-based programme It is proposed to move from a sport-based to an event-based programme (with a maximum of approximately 310 events for the Games of the Olympiad and 100 for the Winter Games). Such an evolution would offer more flexibility for the selection of events from both those International Federations of sports currently on the Olympic programme and those being considered for inclusion from International Federations recognised by the IOC. In the event that the proposed number of sports exceeds the current number, the IOC should give consideration to the existing relationship with the current Olympic International Federations. The evaluation of sports and events would be done in collaboration with the International Federations. 2. The IOC Session to decide on the inclusion of any sport (IF) in the programme The IOC Session currently decides on the sports to be included in the Olympic programme, while the IOC Executive Board currently determines the disciplines, events and athlete quotas. This principle to be maintained. Should, for instance, an event be chosen from an International Federation not yet on the Olympic programme, the decision about the inclusion of such International Federation would be decided by a vote of the IOC Session. 3. The IOC to allow the OCOGs to make a proposal for the inclusion of one or more additional events on the Olympic programme for that edition of the Olympic Games. Such proposal to include an organisational and financing model. 4. The proposed event(s) would undergo a thorough review process consistent with the assessment used for the other events. The events proposed by the host city would have to meet the criteria for events included on the Olympic programme, such as international representation, anti-doping regulations, participation of the best athletes, etc. Approval would remain with the IOC, to ensure that the proposals are appropriate and meet all the broader objectives of the programme.

I'm really baffled about what this is supposed to mean in practice. There are a lot of regulation changes that follow in the paper, but what they seem to say is that instead of being divided up into events, disciplines and sports, the organisation is just into events and sports. In our terms all that seems to mean is that ISAfs discussions over what events should be included will be less structured and more disorganised. It also seems to give the IOC a lot more power to tell the sports what to include and what not to include. The revised rules seem to prescribe rather less than before.

I guess, and it is only a guess, that IOC are already doing that, but what they are telling the sports and the basis of it isn't being made public. So perhaps, and again this is only my guess on almost no evidence, ISAF are making changes on the base of IOC instructions that the IOC has decided we aren't allowed to see. I also guess, and again its only a guess, that the rules are less prescriptive in order to give the IOC much more scope to tell the sports what to do, rather than delegate decisions to the sports.

But I could easily be wrong. If there is material elsewhere in the published documents that tells us more I haven't spotted it, but there's some hundreds of pages of it, and I haven't raised the enthusiasm to read it all.

Edited by JimC - 17 May 18 at 7:32am